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BERKELEY: Activists start working on liberal spirituality
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 7/21/5 | Joe Garofoli

Posted on 07/21/2005 7:38:31 AM PDT by SmithL

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To: Alexander Rubin

Thanks, Interesting read.


21 posted on 07/21/2005 7:52:30 AM PDT by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
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To: SmithL
"I Don't Believe in God, But I Know America Needs a Spiritual Left."

This shouts failure by design. You cannot build a movement and recruit believers with core beliefs. It's also another example of liberal symbolism over substance.

Let's all chant: "Kum-buy-ya"

22 posted on 07/21/2005 7:52:31 AM PDT by QwertyKPH (Non-profane tagline)
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To: travlnmn41
"Liberal spirituality." How's that for an oxymoron?

Actually, it's not. In much of the world, leftist movements derive their authority from Biblical teachings, and many prominent leftists are church leaders in their respective countries.

23 posted on 07/21/2005 7:53:38 AM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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24 posted on 07/21/2005 7:54:22 AM PDT by QwertyKPH (Non-profane tagline)
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To: JeeperFreeper

"I think it'll be Wicca, Gaia worship, transcendental meditation, Scientology, etc. that'll be their "spirituality".

Well, obviously. But, how to get all those yahoos in flyover country to buy into it? Twist a few biblical exhortations to individual mercy and charity into an endorsement of forced wealth redistribution, maybe? Layer than on top of "good stewardship of the earth" and "respect" for all manifestations of belief in "a" god? Hmmm. That might work. Then again, might not.


25 posted on 07/21/2005 7:55:27 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: SmithL

I doubt that it has anything to do with the Bible. They are going to invent their own religion. Marx said that religion is the opiate of the masses. If you believe that, then it makes sense that you would want to have a religious dogma that you could use to keep your followers in line.


26 posted on 07/21/2005 7:57:54 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: SmithL
I think this is positive. Of course, not everyone in this huge country is going to believe the same thing - but to see the left getting serious about spirituality seems to me to be a good thing.

If it leads them to becoming more honorable, more honest, more responsible - that will be fabulous.

27 posted on 07/21/2005 7:58:29 AM PDT by Sunsong
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To: Brilliant

"Marx said that religion is the opiate of the masses"

Marx is the opiate of progressives.


28 posted on 07/21/2005 7:58:39 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: Sunsong

"If it leads them to becoming more honorable, more honest, more responsible - that will be fabulous."

But then again, it's all a ruse in order to fool the yahoos in flyover country into voting for them, isn't it?


29 posted on 07/21/2005 7:59:45 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: SmithL
organizers are also intending to connect with "religio-phobic" liberals

They'll connect alright, they just better be ready for reaction.

30 posted on 07/21/2005 8:01:37 AM PDT by BallyBill (..the only quagmire I see is the one the Media is stuck in..)
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To: SmithL

everyone on the democrat plantation

religious or not

will be getting religion

in time for hillary's run '08.


31 posted on 07/21/2005 8:01:59 AM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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To: Junior
Actually, it's not. In much of the world, leftist movements derive their authority from Biblical teachings, and many prominent leftists are church leaders in their respective countries.

True. Only in American Protestantism are capitalism and prosperity often seen as good and Godly. Catholicism tends to view material success as evil, and poverty as noble and Godly. That's why "liberation theology" has done so well in Latin America.

32 posted on 07/21/2005 8:03:18 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Some people are like gravy, spilled on God's Sunday shirt..." -- Spock's Beard)
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To: frogjerk

From the article:
"The latest post-election attempt at transforming the spiritual energy of the left into political clout began Wednesday at UC Berkeley, where 1,200 people attended the opening of a conference on "Spiritual Activism.""

I think the hard core liberals do not believe in God. Their own actions and words clearly speak to this. I think this disingenuous campaign will fall flat on it's face, because you cannot fake faith. And the fact that they think they can successfully fake faith only goes to illustrate how little they understand it. I've long thought that people who feel compelled to prove the sincerity of their faith in front of any audience they can gather, has already unmasked themselves. Sincere faith should be self evident, not well advertised.


33 posted on 07/21/2005 8:04:41 AM PDT by dbehsman (I think we should have a constitutional right to consistency.)
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To: SmithL

Gee, the left's tree-hugging, god/goddess self-love, new agey mish-mash not working for them as a unified front? Hmm, how could it with all the self-adoration involved? That is why their attempts to use religion will also fail - too many egos to assuage.


34 posted on 07/21/2005 8:05:28 AM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: SmithL

Based on whay my former supervisor used to tell me about her weirdbeard lib "church" in Willow Glen, it sounded like they were making it up as they went along.

All form -- church gave her the opportunity to get all tarted up once a week. No substance.


35 posted on 07/21/2005 8:05:50 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: travlnmn41
"Liberal spirituality." How's that for an oxymoron?

Kinda like Jumbo shrimp

36 posted on 07/21/2005 8:06:27 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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Catholicism tends to view material success as evil, and poverty as noble and Godly.

Do you have a source for this accusation?

I think you are confusing being "poor of spirit" with actually being monetarily poor. Big difference.

37 posted on 07/21/2005 8:08:10 AM PDT by frogjerk
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To: SmithL
Snips from the Article:

Yet for now, said UC Berkeley linguistics Professor George Lakoff, spiritual liberals aren't strong enough to use their moral authority to challenge conservatives on the issues of the day, such as Bush's nomination of John Roberts to the U.S. Supreme Court.

"No, it's not strong enough now, unless it organizes very quickly," said Lakoff, who has become a favorite among liberals since November for his contention that the left has the right ideas -- it just needs to "frame" issues in a different context.
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Thandeka, a Unitarian Universalist minister from New York who is African American and goes by one name, said she is optimistic that nonwhites -- as well as people living in conservative-voting "red states" -- will eventually join up.

"Once we speak to people about what they're feeling, then they will start relating to us and stop voting against their own self-interest," Thandeka said. "Then we will get back Kansas."

Cross post: Truth and Reconciliation Commission, FaithAction

38 posted on 07/21/2005 8:08:18 AM PDT by Alia
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One conference speaker who thinks the culture will be receptive to this message is Jim Wallis, the liberal evangelical author of the best-selling "God's Politics: Why the Right Gets it Wrong and the Left Doesn't Get It."

Anybody read this? Why do the right supposedly get it wrong? Hmmmm....

How much tooling with the religion will the Evangelical's have to do to appeal to the Berkeley new agey spirits? How could it work? Christian values don't typically appeal to them and what will morph out will scarcely be recognizable as Christian.

39 posted on 07/21/2005 8:08:29 AM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: SmithL

Lord, am I really supposed to pray for these idiots?
O.K,O.K.,O.K., Here it goes...Lord, only you can fix stupid...


40 posted on 07/21/2005 8:11:12 AM PDT by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID ))
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