Anyone putting forward the proposition that these murdering barbarians fit into any American's (Founding Fathers or otherwise) concept of religion is clearly several sandwiches shy of a picnic.Thomas Jefferson, speaking of Virginia's Act of Religious Freedom:
“...an amendment was proposed by inserting the words, ‘Jesus Christ...the holy author of our religion,’ which was rejected ‘By a great majority in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mohammedan, the Hindoo and the Infidel of every denomination.’”
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
-Treaty with Tripol signed in 1976, proclaimed in 1797.
-Eric
Musselmen. I've always loved that phrasing.
My statement stands, despite your delusional belief that the founders lacked common sense.
Thomas Jefferson, speaking of Virginia's Act of Religious Freedom
1) That's typically Jeffersonian deism.
2) The idea is suicidal and contrary to reason.
Our system of government is suitable to all religions which recognize the natural law as a basis for law. This excludes Mohammedans because of their Sharia law, which often contradicts the natural law in important ways.
If there had been Islamic jihadis killing people here and there when Jefferson wrote those words, he would not have given all Muslims a blanket welcome.
What I wonder is why you keep supporting Islam, as though the terrorists just "happened" to be Muslim, instead of the fact that Islam is the actual driving force of their hatred and anger.
Naturally, not all Muslims are filled with the same insane anger and hatred. But enough are, and it is being taught widely, to connect Muslims + insane anger + hatred = terrorism.
E Rocc: "Thomas Jefferson, speaking of Virginia's Act of Religious Freedom: '...an amendment was proposed by inserting the words, ‘Jesus Christ...the holy author of our religion,’ which was rejected ‘By a great majority in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mohammedan, the Hindoo and the Infidel of every denomination.’ -- As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." -Treaty with Tripol signed in 1976, proclaimed in 1797."
Our government wasn't founded on "the Christian religion", it was founded on the biblical worldview wherein our Framers merely recognized the self-evident (absolute) truths that man's rights and freedoms come from his Creator ( God ). They set the Constitution into place to guard those moral truths. The Constitution stands between us and our elected/appointed government officials effectively protecting us from them. (See my profile page).
Also see some of the comments in this thread, one of which I'm copying below:
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"Jefferson's letter is just that, a letter. He was not involved in the constitutional convention, and had nothing to do with the Bill of Rights -- being in France on both occasions. His letter was written 14 years after the Bill of Rights were adopted. And several of the states ratifying the Bill of Rights actually had official state religions. I am not obviously not arguing for a return to that, but the point is that if today's "separation of church and state" viewpoint existed back then, the Bill of Rights never would have been ratified by the states, including the states that had official religions. And a few days after writing this letter, Jefferson went to the House of Representatives for morning prayer, as he did frequently as president. But this is, nonetheless, a fascinating link.
6 posted on 06/22/2005 5:41:23 PM EDT by holdonnow
You would have to be completely ignorant of any of the actual founders writings to make a statement that claimed that the US was not founded on Christianity. They (the founders) made it completely clear in their many writings their opinions of how vital Christianity was to our freedoms and our ability to hold them in the future.
One can only assume you have not dug deeper or more than likely, seeing you devotion to islam, like to propagandize picking and choosing in order to deceive.