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To: lemura; BlackElk; Travis McGee
This phase of the WOT is very similar - no one really wants to deal with what it will really take, so we just play around on the fringe. It's our children's generation (and the ones after that) which will finally have to settle this matter.

Very important insight-but I don't think we have that much time.

Victory in war requires that the winner go through a phase of disillusionment, when all their illusions are ground to dust and realists come to power in the military and the civilian sectors of the government.

Our principal illusion - that the war can end before Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are ended - has not yet begun to quiver.

Therefore, victory is far away, if it ever comes at all.

Defeat is as close as losers like today's London bombers getting their hands on real weapons.

Nuling Mecca is a diversion - we must build a force that can conquer and occupy all of Arabia including Jordan, and Pakistan - and we must do so with all deliberate speed.

The earliest we can start is probably January 2013, which may well be too late.

2,100 posted on 07/21/2005 10:51:46 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God)
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To: Jim Noble
The earliest we can start is probably January 2013

Why then? (Just curious)...

2,114 posted on 07/21/2005 10:58:21 AM PDT by null and void (I don't use a tripod, only 50% of my photographs are good. They call me "The Half-Blurred Prints"...)
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To: Jim Noble
"Our principal illusion - that the war can end before Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are ended - has not yet begun to quiver."

The game is over - we have a winner. Ding. Ding. Ding.

2,116 posted on 07/21/2005 10:58:39 AM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: Jim Noble
we must build a force that can conquer and occupy all of Arabia including Jordan, and Pakistan

First things first. First, we must go through the motions of prosecuting the WOT with limited impact on civilians - ie the WWI analogy.

If/when that fails, it will be the responsibilty of future generations to re-impose a general draft, re-orient the economy towards a war economy, and literally occupy/convert all Muslim lands to secular, democratic societies.

For naysayers who believe that the job is 'too big' or that we 'can't go to war against 1b Muslims', why not? The occupation and conversion of Japan was based in large part on de-coupling Shinto beliefs from Japan's everyday interaction with the world.

2,118 posted on 07/21/2005 11:00:12 AM PDT by lemura
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