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There are apologists amongst us
Guardian ^ | 07/21/05 | Norman Geras

Posted on 07/20/2005 7:38:30 PM PDT by Pikamax

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1 posted on 07/20/2005 7:38:31 PM PDT by Pikamax
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He forgot to mention that the Guardian is the leading voice of the apologists.


2 posted on 07/20/2005 7:47:39 PM PDT by Russ
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"There are apologists amongst us"

AKA Islamist copperheads, and the democrats have long, long, history of copperhead fifth column activity to undermine the will to fight.

From the American civil war, WW II, (until the Russkie commies got attacked by the Nazis, then from party of peace, to becoming vociferous war hawks) for the commies again in Vietnam, and now the present.
3 posted on 07/20/2005 8:16:56 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Russ; Pikamax

"He forgot to mention that the Guardian is the leading voice of the apologists"

No, no, he points it out right at the start when he says "...the stuff was spreading like an infestation across the pages of this newspaper, where it has remained."

I think he makes the very best point here: "The root-causers always plead a desire merely to expand our understanding, but they're very selective in what they want to "understand".

That really nails these folks, past, present, and future versions. Excellent post Pikamax!


4 posted on 07/20/2005 8:27:48 PM PDT by jocon307 (Can we close the border NOW?)
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To: Russ
He did.

he first voices, so far as I know, were those of the SWP and George Galloway, but it wasn't very long - indeed no time at all, taking into account production schedules - before the stuff was spreading like an infestation across the pages of this newspaper, where it has remained.

5 posted on 07/20/2005 8:44:36 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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It is absolutely stunning -- and quite welcome -- to read this in the Guardian. My fellow FReepers, I think things are going to change on the PC-"moderate" Muslim front...especially if terrorists attack London again. The apologists are steadily losing their room to manuever and obscure the truth.


6 posted on 07/20/2005 8:53:54 PM PDT by quesney
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Why does it have to wait for the next attack?


7 posted on 07/20/2005 8:55:39 PM PDT by John Filson
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"Why does it have to wait for the next attack?"

Unfortunately, a lot of people out there need a few thousand -- hundred thousand, million, millions? -- to see what's in front of their face. Unfortunate, but what are you going to do. They're like children. Logic and reason and warnings don't work. They have to get their hands burned on the stove before they get it.


8 posted on 07/20/2005 9:09:10 PM PDT by quesney
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The same goes here. When our next hit comes...PC will be dead and buried. The leftist will crawl back under a rock for fear of their safety if they do the cr@p they're doing here now.


9 posted on 07/20/2005 9:20:21 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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When our next hit comes...PC will be dead and buried.

The next hit, ad nauseum. Now I think it's our job to get the Anglosphere into purge and protect mode. If the attacks continue, it'll be proof that we couldn't filter out our populations properly.

10 posted on 07/20/2005 9:49:35 PM PDT by John Filson
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To: Pikamax

Very surprising to see this in The Guardian.


11 posted on 07/20/2005 11:37:36 PM PDT by Ronin (When the fox gnaws.... SMILE!!!)
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Cultural suicide.

The problem is they want the rest of us to die with them.


12 posted on 07/20/2005 11:48:43 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Democrats haven't had a new idea since Karl Marx.)
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The leftist in this country give sanctuary and succor to our enemies.

We out number them by a long shot. However, not until we take another major hit, will those who are sleepwalking through this appeaser and apologist phase finally wake up to the dangers we have been screaming about for years.

13 posted on 07/21/2005 12:03:04 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: quesney

Positively stunning......

From the Guardian? Could the PC crap finally be ending?

Dare I hope?


14 posted on 07/21/2005 12:03:42 AM PDT by Shortstop7
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I wonder if it's really going to take another hit. That's such a pessimistic view. I think something changed in a lot of people when Knight's Crossing ocurred. We talk among ourselves here as if the average politically uninvolved American doesn't care. But some of the ones I know are starting to say things like, "I get it, why don't our leaders?"


15 posted on 07/21/2005 12:06:37 AM PDT by John Filson
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I wonder if it's really going to take another hit.

With all my heart and soul...yes.

I'm not talking about 3,000. Those numbers will pale in comparison to the carnage that will be visited on our nation the next time. It is then...we will be allowed to fight the war on terror the way it should be fought...no holds barred.

16 posted on 07/21/2005 12:12:14 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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It's a shame. I've thought of the contingencies: we need to develop protocols with Russia on this, and we need to round up at least the outspoken Muslims and intern them SOON. We can stop this if we have a counterstrike plan and our zealots pooled (and swamp draining in progress).


17 posted on 07/21/2005 12:15:05 AM PDT by John Filson
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and we need to round up at least the outspoken Muslims and intern them SOON.

The left and the aclu wouldn't allow it. We will have to sit and wait for another hit before the government gets serious about the WOT. As long as PC reigns, our hands are tied.

18 posted on 07/21/2005 12:18:47 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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It's really up to congress, don't you think? If (and it's a big one) they could be persuaded to recognize the seriousness of our twin problems -- the domestic enemy and the foreign arms/idelogical proliferation, they might act.


19 posted on 07/21/2005 12:21:28 AM PDT by John Filson
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Our domestic enemies are laying the ground work for the terrorist here in this country. It's only a matter of time.


20 posted on 07/21/2005 12:23:47 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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