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U.S. Republicans Introduce Tough Immigration Bill
WASHINGTONPOST.COM ^ | July 19, 2005 | Alan Elsner

Posted on 07/20/2005 7:01:09 AM PDT by kellynla

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - All of the estimated 10 million to 12 million illegal aliens in the United States would have to leave the country under an immigration bill introduced on Tuesday by two conservative Republican senators.

The bill by Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl and Texas Sen. John Cornyn is a tougher alternative to a rival bipartisan bill introduced two month ago that would allow some illegals to get jobs legally and eventually gain citizenship without leaving the country.

The Kyl-Cornyn bill calls for the creation of a machine-readable, tamper-proof Social Security card that would be issued to every American in the workforce to prevent illegals from getting jobs.

It would also fund the hiring of 10,000 new Department of Homeland Security personnel dedicated to weeding illegal immigrants out of the workforce and an additional 1,000 for detecting immigration fraud.

Companies that hired illegal immigrants would face tough fines.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; bordersecurity; borderxxi; bushamnesty; cafta; cfr; cornyn; foreignrelations; ftaa; illegalaliens; illegals; immigration; invasionusa; kyl
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
What I want to know is what amount of information must be contained on such a card to make sure that it cannot be misused.

It doesn't matter, the government is going to put what ever information they want on the cards - and if your lucky, they'll tell you about it. They know that there is no consequences to their actions, and they know the Constitution is no boundary. They also know that the American people are a bunch of putz's that will go along with anything as long as there is food on the table and crappy sitcoms on tv.

41 posted on 07/20/2005 8:00:08 AM PDT by BostonianRightist (I don't trust a government I can't shoot back at.)
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To: 26lemoncharlie

"as well as massively expensive?"

Kelley advertises her ignorance.
It is costing the border states alone 15 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR to allow illegals to stay here. Again, at those prices we could round up every illegal and his family and fly them home FIRST CLASS and still be ahead of the game at the end of the year.

Secure the borders, fine employers who hire illegals & deport them(including the incarcerated) and their families.

Ike did it, so can Bush!

Semper Fi,
Kelly


42 posted on 07/20/2005 8:03:48 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Without a proper proof of citizenship, we will never be able to curb the problem of illegal citizens. ...Send them all back- I like the sounds of this bill.

We already have proper proof of citizenship, we have our government numbers (SS) and we have birth certificates, and both of which are mandatory to be legally hired. A national ID card is NOT going to fix the problem. The card is going to be as easy to forge as the new $20 bill.

I agree, get them out of the country (hell, send 'em out to international waters for all I care), but this bill isn't going to get them out of the country. This bill is nothing more than the government grinding it's jackboot into our chests a little harder.

44 posted on 07/20/2005 8:05:22 AM PDT by BostonianRightist (I don't trust a government I can't shoot back at.)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

"The national ID is a step on the way to slavery"
The 2nd Ammendment prevents this.


45 posted on 07/20/2005 8:06:09 AM PDT by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country.)
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To: kellynla
Secure the borders, fine employers who hire illegals & deport them(including the incarcerated) and their families.

Damn Straight!

But all of that can be done by enforcing laws that already exist, and none of those laws include a national ID card.

46 posted on 07/20/2005 8:12:16 AM PDT by BostonianRightist (I don't trust a government I can't shoot back at.)
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To: conservativewasp
The 2nd Ammendment prevents this.

The Second Amendment did prevent this. We don't have a Bill of Rights anymore, remember? Now, to own a firearm, we have to pay for a form to ask our government for permission for the right to buy a firearm. And if you get that permission, you still can only buy certain firearms that the government deems fit.

47 posted on 07/20/2005 8:19:33 AM PDT by BostonianRightist (I don't trust a government I can't shoot back at.)
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To: BostonianRightist

In order to keep from being deported, a person would have to prove legal status and if you don't have a legal, verifiable national picture ID for all adults living in America then how do you confirm that?
All existing ID's don't prove citiznship(as we have learned the hard way).


48 posted on 07/20/2005 8:20:20 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

Your choice.

In the end, they will remove the choice, and all freedom that accompanies choice.


49 posted on 07/20/2005 8:23:42 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Google search CFR North American Community.)
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To: BostonianRightist

You need to move, let me guess, California. I can buy anything I want, including Full Auto (fed tax and background for this). No state fee's or paperwork, minus instant check. Instant check is a small pain, but it does stop lots of criminals from buying "legally". I hope they prosecute those who get caught, but I bet alot of them are overlooked. Try moving to a "red state".


50 posted on 07/20/2005 8:26:03 AM PDT by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country.)
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To: blaquebyrd

These two may have the best intentions.
But by the time it goes through the mill, all that will be left is that which fits the bigger plan that as far as I can tell, these two are not a part of.

It's sidestepping the issue anyway.

Introduce a short simple bill.

Close the borders, round up the invaders or be impeached.

Then I'll jump up and cheer.

Never happen.


51 posted on 07/20/2005 8:28:04 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Google search CFR North American Community.)
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To: BostonianRightist
Dooohhhh! I just noticed your name, why are you in the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts's?
52 posted on 07/20/2005 8:30:13 AM PDT by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country.)
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To: kellynla

Methinks the pubs have read my ( and thousands of other
's) comments on their fund raising questionaires.

Mine read 'Not one cent until the Pres. and Congress close the borders'


53 posted on 07/20/2005 8:31:05 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
"they will remove the choice"

who are they?

maybe you haven't been paying attention for the last 200 years but we have free elections in this country and if you missed the recall election in California in 2003 even mistakes can be corrected and elected officials removed. And as long as Americans are armed, I wouldn't count on anyone taking away our rights, freedoms and/or property.

Class dismissed!
54 posted on 07/20/2005 8:31:49 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: conservativewasp

He lives in Messofcommiechusetts, who's Freuher, Mitt Romney, is being touted as a likely candidate for president.


55 posted on 07/20/2005 8:32:28 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Google search CFR North American Community.)
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To: kellynla

In order to keep from being deported, an illegal will evade law enforcement (which the national ID card wont stop) as they are doing now or forge this new national ID card. EVERYTHING is forgeable, especially when there are people in the border patrol agency, DMV and other agencies that are sympathetic to the cause of illegals.


56 posted on 07/20/2005 8:36:38 AM PDT by BostonianRightist (I don't trust a government I can't shoot back at.)
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To: kellynla

Elections?
The last two have been clearly fraudulent.

The supposed good guy squeaked by, but the manipulation was blatant and obvious.

The massive beauracracy that grips this nation is hardly affected by the change of administrations. It is more affected by the desires of the not so secret club, which includes George Soros and Bush's father, as well as Clinton, Allbright,Cheney and Rice, and everybody else that counts, on both sides of the alleged aisle.

Clinto made a huge impact on this monolithic beauracracy, but the supposedly conservative Bush, hasn't left a mark.


57 posted on 07/20/2005 8:38:57 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Google search CFR North American Community.)
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To: conservativewasp
What state is this? Montana?

I'm in MA, and I don't plan on leaving - I love Boston too much. I've said it on the MA message board often - we have a great state with a great history, we just need to fixing our politics.

58 posted on 07/20/2005 8:39:54 AM PDT by BostonianRightist (I don't trust a government I can't shoot back at.)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

"The last two have been clearly fraudulent?"

Well you just lost all credibility.

cyaaaaaaaaaa


59 posted on 07/20/2005 8:41:39 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Sounds like a national ID card.

A reliable national ID card is a necessary component of credible immigration reform.

60 posted on 07/20/2005 8:43:29 AM PDT by Truthsayer20
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