China: secret government conferences on Ebola and Avian Flu(photo proofs?)

The Daily China ^ | 07/19/05

[TigerLikesRooster]

Government Conference on Tackling Avian Flu and Ebola: late June, in Guandong Province.

Confernce on Ebola Problem held at Guangzhou Military District: early July

[TigerLikesRooster]

This report is apparently based on another newspaper, Boxun which first broke the story on these epidemic.

[TigerLikesRooster]

Ping!

[MARKUSPRIME]

They are all wearing the same thing. :|

[txhurl]

bttt

[konaice]

This report is apparently based on another newspaper, Boxun which first broke the story on these epidemic. Which epidemics?

Translate please.

[theFIRMbss]

The big green sign says,
Fukien Swingers Convention
(Those are hip Chinese . . .)

[TigerLikesRooster]

Re #5

Avian Flu and Ebola. Boxun reported that people died from these epidemic in China. In case of Avian Flu, hundreds. However, they could not get the accurate figure for obvious reasons. It is a state-secret.

The report says that all patients suffering from the two disease are sent to military installation under tight security. That is the story which went around until quite recently. Now, they somehow got hold of pictures.

[konaice]

Now, they somehow got hold of pictures.

Or photo shop them. This could be a confrence on economic development or formatting your hard drive or anything else with a few words photoshopped onto the green board.

Thin. Very thin.

[mallardx]

They are all wearing the same thing.

Reminds me of my daily commute through Boulder - everyone drives a Subaru Outback with a John Kerry sticker on it. Sheep!

[mdmathis6]

How the heck did Ebola get into China?....which means it's not a tropical disease any longer!

[wildandcrazyrussian]

There is another discussion website CurEvents which has had a "flu" discussion board for quite a while:

http://www.curevents.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=40

There are several threads about the Communist Chinese government suppressing information (and other threads about the possibility of a huge pandemic). I find it quite informative, and offer it only as putting TR's post in context.

[TigerLikesRooster]

Re #10

Southern China is tropical while Northern China is not. Cargo ship traffic from Africa to Southern China was floated as a likely candidate.

[genefromjersey]

It's well to be skeptical...and it's well to be wise.

If the gentleman who runs this website is "concerned",you might want to pay VERY close attention to what he says.

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/07160501/H5N1_Human_China_Bioweapon.html

[datura]

Commentary
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Boxun Description of Ebola in China

Recombinomics Commentary
July 19, 2005

1. EB-SZ type: It was found in Shenzhen of South China. People contracted the virus showing severe illness, and they were infected through the contact of blood. Incubation period is 2-4 weeks. Some individual cases have incubation period up to 6 months. Some cases are asymptomatic. Those infected people's immunity drops suddenly that triggers other co-infections and complications. When non-Ebola virus related infections become severe, it could lead to diathesis from the major blood vessels. In severe cases, blood vessels disintegrate; muscular tissues became fluid-like; patients died of lack of oxygen due to haemorrhage. After the case die, the disintegration symptoms persist with the change of room temperature, ie above 12.4 degree Celcius. The process continues until the carcass completely disintegrates. The disintegration process slows down when temperature is lower than 8.7 degree Celcius; and the process halts at below 4 degree Celcius. Therefore, the best treatment for infected person is to use low temperature therapy. To treat the deceased cases, it is better to seal the body under low temperature. To disinfect the environment where the cases die has to use both high temperature disinfection and low temperature disinfection with the assistance of potent medication.

2. EB-ST type: It was found in Shantou of South China. People contracted the virus showing severe illness. Transmission is unknown. Incubation period: 30-120 days. Infected people have localized maculopapular rash. Cases occur in the form of diathesis in the smallest capillaries that lead to necrosis of the involved tissues. The characteristic of this virus is its intermittent exacerbation of the symptoms. This virus is suspected to be the mutated by-product of Ebola virus and other viruses. The confirmative diagnosis is usually made by the identification of EB-SZ-like virus in the tissues of deceased cases.

3. EB-HN type: It was found in Hunan of Central China. Transmission is unknown. Incubation is about 30-60 days. Infected cases experience discomfort due to the localized diathesis. After the disintegration of blood vessels, patients experience symptoms related to blood loss. Most of the deceased cases' heavily infected organs were in their lungs. If the blood vessels of the internal organs were infected, it will cause hepatic damage. Deceased case's face and bottom will disintegrate within 2-8 hours afterwards; their nails also fall apart. Autopsy found that the tissues of tendons were as soft as muscle. The deceased cases' blood are contagious. Contact through other means will not lead to infection of the virus.

4. EB-FJ type: It was found in Fujian province of South China. The virus was transmitted through the carrier's blood. Incubation period is about 20-30 days. Infected people will become immunocompromised that leads to influenza induced pneumonia and bleeding in the lungs. Subsequently, it leads to respiratory failure. Autopsy found that the vessels in the deceased cases' lung were fluid like; other tissues were normal. Deceased cases displayed purplish spots in their necks.

5. EB-ZJ type: It was found in Zhanjian of South China. Not much details on this virus subtype.

6. EB-SZ77 type: It was found in Shenzhen of South China (adjacent to Hong Kong). This virus could infect birds.

The above human translation of a boxun report raises serious questions about Ebola infections in China. It has not been independently confirmed and Ebola has not been reported outside of Africa. The above report offers no genetic details on the relationship between the above isolates and the various sequenced Ebola and Marburg isolates.

The boxun reports on H5N1 bird flu strains appear to be quite believable and are supported by China's refusal to allow WHO visit the recent sites of H5N1 infections in Xinjiang province as well as the refusal to share sequence data on isolates from the latest outbreak.

Other boxun documents indicate details of H5N1 and Ebola infections are considered state secrets, which clearly if true, is cause for concerns. China's recent actions of limiting access and distribution of strains and sequences increases the credibility of the boxun reports.

Moreover, H5N1 and Ebola have a region of sequence identity between HA and spike genes.

[datura]

PING!!

[GOP_1900AD]

Southern China is south of 22.5 degrees North latitude. It's tropical.

[mdmathis6]

Oh I missed the reference to Southern China....Me Bad!

[genefromjersey]

Oh,by the way, I forgot to mention the mortality estimate:

How does 1 billion people grab you ?

[little jeremiah]

later read.

[AdmSmith]

This is serious:
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/07260501/H5N1_Lab_Closed.html

China Closes Lab Isolating and Sequencing H5N1 Bird Flu

Recombinomics Commentary
July 26, 2005

A laboratory jointly run by universities in Hong and China said on Tuesday it had suspended studies into the H5N1 bird flu virus after Beijing issued new guidelines which triggered fears of a crackdown on academic freedom and independent research into the deadly disease.

The new rules were issued on May 30, five days after the Joint Influenza Research Centre sent an article to the international journal Nature which said that infected wild birds in western China might have picked up the virus from poultry farms in southern China.

A day after the article was published, Jia Youling, director general of the Ministry of Agriculture's Veterinary Bureau, criticised the findings and said no bird flu had broken out in southern China this year.
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The closing of an independent lab in China is cause for concern. The lab has been doing H5N1 research in collaboration with Yi Guan's lab at Hong Kong University. The publication in Nature clearly demonstrated that H5N1 was present in 2005 in eastern China, even though China had filed no OIE reports in 2005 prior to the May 21 report on Qinghai Lake. Subsequent reports were filed on outbreaks in Xinjiang province, but there are still no reports of H5N1 in China in 2005 east of Qinhai Lake.

The 2005 isolates from Shantou in Guangdong Province were of particular interest, because five of the eight genes were virtually identical to the corresponding genes from Qinghai Lake isolates, clearly demonstrating a relationship between the H5N1 tarnsmitted betaeween two regions in China. The lack of the PB2 mutation E627K in isolates outside of Qinghai Lake supports the notion that the isolates in Shantou may be from earlier Qinghai Lake infections instead of precursors of the Qinghai Lake isolates. However, the relationship demands more study.

China's actions strongly suggest they want to control and withhold vital information regarding H5N1 in China. The sequences will like be appearing throughout Asia and Europe via migratory birds wintering in China and Russia, but samples collected as the H5N1 evolves this season will be particularly important because of the lethality associated with Qinghai isolates and the H5N1 endemic to much of Asia, including China in general and Guangdong Province in particular.