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To: ConservativeDude
You're full of it and don't use that tone with me.

LOL! OK, Daddy.

I can debate the President's imaginative thinking by outlining his vision for the Middle East, but this is not the time nor the place for it.

The only thing I care about on this thread is that you had no basis on which to say he doesn't have vision other than your own skewed and limited opinion.

(Is that 'tone' acceptable to you? VERY funny admonition coming from a young man who calls himself 'dude.')

1,749 posted on 07/19/2005 2:55:34 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: ohioWfan

First of all I'm not young, but thanks for the compliment. I didn't exactly spend a lot of time in choosing my name here.

Second, I have plenty of basis and like I said, if you want to go there, bring it on. So far his domestic agenda has centered around creating (not expanding, but creating) a new entitlement....something that hasn't been done since LBJ, and signing McCain Feingold. He chickened out of the big fight in abolishing the IRS (which would have been truly visionary). Spending has generally gone through the roof. He has consciously adopted a truly open borders policy which is unlike anything we have ever seen inthis country (ie, he actually sent a treaty to the Senate - it's going to be killed - which allows illegals to get social security well before Americans). His domestic agenda is not only not visionary, it is downright hostile to everything that conservatives are about.

Third, this thread is obviously about his domestic agenda, not his foreign policy. I can probably live with his agenda in the Middle East but that is not the issue here.

Fourth, and again I don't think anyone is going to seriously contest this, the guy really doesn't have the capacity to be much of a visionary. He has no grounding in history, no sense of where this country has come from and very little sens of where it ought to go. The guy probably hasn't read 5 books in his adult life and he can barely string sentences together. It is embarrassing. (But he still got better grades than Kerry...which says more about Kerry than GWB!)

The second and fourth points are just off the top of my head and that is why I say that he does not have the capacity to be truly imaginative or visionary. He just doesn't. That doesn't make him a bad man, or even in itself, a bad President. Calvin Coolidge was a great President precisely because he had so little imagination and vision. FDR was a horrible President because he had way too much.

Now....GWB does have some outstanding qualities. He is a good interpersonal politicker, or so I'm told. He knows how to hire people. He does play good poker and he is a helluva good campaigner, that is, when he is not debating or trying to give a speech (in those cases he is an embarrassment). He has shown some courage and backbone in the war on terror. He has genuine compassion for people. He would make a good neighbor, a guy you'd like to have a burger with.

My opinion in this regard is entirely substantiated. It is not skewed, nor is it limited. If anything it is downright charitable...he is, after all, our President. The shortcomings I am pointing out are obvious to a fair observer who is a conservative.


1,840 posted on 07/19/2005 3:20:03 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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