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Posted on 07/19/2005 5:30:12 AM PDT by ancient_geezer
A Taxreform bump for you all.
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John Linder in the House(HR25) & Saxby Chambliss Senate(S25) offer a comprehensive bill to kill all income and SS/Medicare payroll taxes outright and replace them with with a national retail sales tax administered by the states.
H.R.25,S.25
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.Refer for additional information:
If this ever happens, I'll just quit working.
Just another stab in the back, trying to get EVERYTHING under the control of the almighty "benevolent" GOVERNMENT.
If this would motivate employers to pay employees a straight-up salary, I'm for it.
If "income" is to be taxed why shouldn't all "income" be taxed. If you get paid in cash, groceries, health care or anything else it should all be taxed equally or not at all.
If they abolish medicare and medicaid along with this I'm all for it. Let the market forces dictate the cost of healthcare.
It won't work like that. The worker will get screwed, as usual.
If "income" is to be taxed why shouldn't all "income" be taxed.
Better yet don't tax "income" in the first place.
From Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan, it is fairer to tax people on what they extract from the economy, as roughly measured by their consumption, than to tax them on what they produce for the economy, as roughly measured by their income.
It depends on whether the worker has a skill the employer really needs.
The whole system of taxable/nontaxable income is a conspiracy between the government and businesses to control wages, prices, and ultimately lives. I agree with the person above who said we also need to eliminate Medicare and Medicaid. A free market is the only way to get people the medical care they want at a price they're willing to pay.
I agree.
At some point we must make a stand. I believe the fair tax would take care of this issue. The current system is way to convoluted and quite frankly pushes the boundries of Constitutional legality. Having employers pay for benefits at all really puts a small business in jam right off the block. The more I consider the fair tax the more I like it.
This topic was previously discussed by Rush.
If the Republicans try this (or Dems for that matter) they will NEVER EVER be elected to the majority again......
Hillary's gotta be rubbing her hands in glee.
Whatever happened to some of the good Health Industry ideas that were floated by the Pubbies in the '90's before Mr. Stangeguv took over the ship of state?
My wife and I are a mom and pop shop and we pay over $7000 a year for health insurance, with a $5k deductible. We are not making a ton of money and are willing to do this but it sure would be nice to get a little help, like small owners being able to join together.
I was thinking that myself. This will push companies to wash their hands of offering any health program and instead of 50-100-10000 people represented by your HR dept negotiating for a health care plan, you'll be on your own. I pay something like 75 bucks a week for my plan, I'm sure my employer probably matches most or all of that or more, I frankly have no idea. If I go to my provider Aetna and ask for care on my own, it'll probably be double or more than what both I and my employer combined pay right now.
Once that happens to a few 10s of millions, hello socialized health care.
I don't understand your comment. Why should employer sponsored healthcare coverage be treated differently than coverage your may be able to purchase through your church or on an individual basis? Or for that matter if you non-covered purchased healthcare services with your after tax money? Why insulate the healthcare system, which suffers from endemic rising costs, from market forces by treating insurance premiums as tax exempt?
The best thing would be to tie this tax increase with a pro-growth, revenue positive decrease in marginal rates.
"The tax break is regressive because people at the lower-income brackets get less benefit. It does just the opposite of what it should," said David Kendall, a senior health-policy analyst at the Progressive Policy Institute in Washington, a research center for the centrist Democratic Leadership Council. "It promotes coverage for people who can already afford it."
Ahh, the old "class-warfare" thing again. OK, so instead of just dealing with the fact that low income people get "less benefit," let's eliminate the benefit altogether and tax everyone! That's liberal logic... their solution is to PUNISH everyone instead, but you should be happy about it because the rich will get screwed harder than you!
Democrats.. they'll piss on your head and tell you it's raining.
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