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To: cynicom

We lost one other war I can think of, though it was undeclared. We lost in Somalia. I suppose we also lost in Bosnia.


12 posted on 07/18/2005 8:03:50 PM PDT by Ingtar (Understanding is a three-edged sword : your side, my side, and the truth in between ." -- Kosh)
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To: Ingtar

The signs first appeared during the Korean war when we could not bomb across the Yalu, the politicians were running the war. It has been downhill since then.


20 posted on 07/18/2005 8:08:09 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: Ingtar
We lost one other war I can think of, though it was undeclared. We lost in Somalia. I suppose we also lost in Bosnia.

We lost in Korea, big time (look where they are today), thanks to the pussy Truman, whose love for the U.N. was greater than his faith in our greatest General (MacArthur).

114 posted on 07/18/2005 9:21:08 PM PDT by montag813
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1946 - 1948: Russian aggression in Europe - 100% appeasement
1950 - 1953: Korea - almost defeated, turned it around and nearly reached the Yalu. PRC upped the ante - we sued for peace.
1962 - USSR/Cuba place IRBMs in Cuba. We laid a blockade. But USSR refused to remove missiles unless we set aside the Monroe Doctrine by agreeing never to invade Cuba.
1964 - 1975: With insane rules of engagement, we tried to appear to stand up to Communist aggression in SE Asia but never really fought all out. We were afraid that the PRC and or the USSR would formally declare war on us and use nukes. Ended in shameful defeat.
1972: US falls for the China Card, leading to an increasing pattern of appeasement of Red China, still going on today.
1978: US sells Taiwan down the river and supports the end of formal diplomatic relations. "One China" policy of appeasement born.
1978: USSR invades Afghanistan. No response from US / NATO. Later, Reagan would fund only a covert response.
1979 - 1981: Iran Hostage crisis.
1985: Marines evacuate Beirut.

Etc, etc, etc. MAD is mad! Appeasement only builds up the pressure for great war!


116 posted on 07/18/2005 9:21:41 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Ingtar

I'll agree with Somalia, but not with Bosnia.


138 posted on 07/18/2005 10:24:39 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Ingtar

How did we lose in Bosnia? We stopped the civil war there, and that was our war aim.


197 posted on 07/19/2005 6:50:38 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (Proudly confusing editors and readers since 1981!)
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To: Ingtar
We lost one other war I can think of, though it was undeclared. We lost in Somalia. I suppose we also lost in Bosnia.

I suppose Somalia is a loss because we didn't dispose of the warlords. I don't see how Bosnia was a loss. Wasn't our role one of overseer. That's not really a win-loss situation. Although a win can be characterized as not letting things get worse on your watch. Korea depends on whether you believe our goal was a free Korean Peninsula or a free South Korea.

All in all, as was said by a previous poster, you can't expect to win if you let the politicians fight the wars.

211 posted on 07/19/2005 8:00:24 AM PDT by NYCynic
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