You heard wrong:
CCTV images show them still having beards.
Posted on 07/18/2005 3:17:01 PM PDT by CHARLITE
Either (A) they wanted to be known after the fact (i.e. be heroes)
or (B) they were hoping to get rid of any trace so no connections to living terrorists would be made.
Both are reasonable explanations.
The three blasts were within 50 seconds of each other, and a fourth explosion that tore through a double-decker bus nearly an hour later.
All are believed to be set off by timers as timer parts were found in all sites.
There is ONE very good reason for one to be an hour later than the others: Its a common practice to have another bomb go off when the first bomb site is full of first respnders. Happens Iraq all the time. But access to the sites was already blocked as the train system was shutdown city wide, something they hadn't planned on.
And there are a couple very good reason to use timers even if you were intent on suicide... Coordination, and also so you would not be obviously grabbing for the switch and attract attention, or constantly looking at your watch.
In the end, it hardly matters whether they were merely intending to deliver and plant the backpacks or they intended to kill themselves. Given the skills of Scotland Yard they were dead meat in either case.
I read that too – from one of the Brit papers. They had shaved, washed/bathed and otherwise engaged in different aspects of their (supposed) ritual.
Meanwhile people are spending lots of time discussing the minutiae involved rather than eradicating their presence. Neat how that works… Keep your eye on the cookie, not the ball.
Not from first hand accounts. He was constantly digging into the bag, and quite agitated.
You heard wrong:
CCTV images show them still having beards.
Now the wife can get the insurance.
An interesting theory. Hopefully, if accurate, it will backfire on the perps who put them up to it--friends of friends and other potential recruits may turn them in.
The 9/11 terrorists were all imports, were they not? The 7/7 terrorists were natives.
AlQ wants to encourage Muslims in the West to become martyrs. What better way than to have some examples? Can't convince anyone to do it the first time? Well then at least make it look like they did it.
It is one thing to murder in the name of your religion, it is another to commit suicide in the process. Self-preservation is a pesky hinderance to such actions.
AlQ also wants to divide Western Muslims from the non-Muslims. What better way than to generate fear in non-Muslims of all Muslims?
I've seen nothing yet to convince me that these fellows knew they were commiting suicide. It's possible they did know, but I'm not convinced yet. Time will probably answer the question.
Which does not include their remains being buried with pig entrails. If we did this with every dead Muslim gunman or bomber, the attackswould very quickly end. But of course our uber-P.C. "leaders" Bush and Blair would never dream of offending our murderers that way.
What is relevant about this is that it should be used in the "psy-ops" part of our war on terror. If we can penetrate the populations from which these gullible, young walking bombs are recruited, and get this very important TRUTH to them, perhaps it will help to cut down on the numbers of volunteers.
If young men realize that their participation isn't just placing packages on trains and buses, but that they themselves will be blown up by remote control switches, wouldn't that be "relevant" to all potential recruits?
Char
I would think the possibility of these guys being tricked into being suicide bombers shows that it might be getting much harder to recruit people to do such things. So the ones in charge just tell them that they are taking the bomb to the target or maybe not even telling them there's a bomb in the first place. "You're just doing a test run to see if anybody would stop you," kind of thing. And when they are dead the handlers announce another maryr has sacrificed himself for the cause. Who's going to dispute it? The only people who know the truth are either dead or currently seeking a new recruit to replace the dead one.
I now have to wonder how many people that are driving the car bombs in Iraq knew they were actually driving car bombs to begin with.
Agreed that the difference is irrelevant in meting out justice for these bozos.
But the difference is profound for the business of recruiting bomb-setters.
The numerous published incidents in Iraq of bombers being coerced and set up without their knowledge hasn't hurt recruitment there. I don't sreiously think there will be a problem finding more couriers for bombs.
At some point recruiting changes. I agree that there will always be conformable subjects.
But "coerced" and "set up without knowledge" are mutually exclusive populations. Plus, neither of those populations represents the population of "think they are setting a bomb and getting away."
SHAVING off his beard just two days before last week's atrocities part of a Muslim fighter's preparation for "active service".Hasib HussainBut when he boarded the Metropolitan Line Tube carriage last week he was clean-shaven except for a trimmed-down goatee.
"Two days before he vanished Shehzad shaved," said his cousin, 23. "Nobody questioned it because his mum hated the beard. But I've since found that when Muslims are about to do ‘active service'—fighting for what they believe—they shave their beards so they won't stand out.
Police sources said last night that the attackers had shaved off their body hair on the morning of the attacks in a ceremony of religious purification.
Ritual hair removal (purification)
Preparations for Ihram. Comb your hair, shape the beard, trim your mustache, cut your nails, and remove unwanted body hair.
Purification. Take a bath with the intention of Ihram otherwise do wudu. Here it is noted that there are two ways of purification: Purification of the body, shower or wudu.
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) also set a time limit of forty days, and the hair should not be left any longer than that because of the hadith of Anas ibn Malik (may Allah be pleased with him), who said, “He set us a time limit of no more than forty days for trimming the mustache, clipping the nails, plucking the armpit hairs, and shaving the pubic hair” (Al-Bukhari and Muslim).The jurists discussed the proper etiquette of removing the pubic hair and said that it is recommended to start shaving the pubic hair from beneath the navel, and to start on the right hand side, and one should also be concealed from the sight of others when doing this.
We need a General Pershing as CIC for a few months.
I like montag's idea better. Post #29. Yea, that's the ticket.
Thrashed this about last Thursday: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1442501/posts?page=31#31
Think this guy lurks at FR?
Congratulations on a very well researched post.
Unfortunatly, it is mostly wrong.
Police reported no such thing. The image below, direct from the London Met Police shows otherwise.
Sorry, I cant quite make out their pubic and armpit hair in that shot.. do you have a clearer one?
Ok, seriously, all kidding aside, I'm not here to argue with you... I have work I need to finish. I'm simply suggesting that the ritual purification does not always mean that they have to completely shave off their beards. When they refer to "purification."Islamic men and women on the Islamic forums usually obsess about the kind of hair that you dont normally see them expose to us filthy kuffar.
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