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Pet Hoarding Not Out of the Ordinary
Washington Post ^ | 7/18/05 | Paul Duggan and Leef Smith

Posted on 07/18/2005 8:07:42 AM PDT by DCPatriot

Like people all over the country, Gary Patronek, a veterinarian who teaches at Tufts University, heard the bizarre story of Ruth Knueven and her 488 cats -- 222 of them dead, and most of the others so wild and sick that they had to be euthanized.

Knueven, 82, charged with five misdemeanors, including animal cruelty, became a public curiosity last week after Fairfax County officials hauled the cats and carcasses out of her home in Mount Vernon and her daughter's townhouse in Burke. Both residences, filthy and damaged, were declared unfit for habitation until repairs are made.

In the Mount Vernon house, authorities said, they found cats squeezed into virtually every open space of the ground floor -- in the furniture, the walls, the masonry.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: catlady; cats; disorders; dogs; heavypetting; hoarding; meow; ocd; oohthatsmell
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Mount Vernon woman's crush of 488 cats appears to be a reginal record. Some dead cats stored in tupperware containers.

Can you imagine the odor upon walking into the home? Cat feces and urine everywhere. How can someone breathe in such an environment with that strong ammonia smell?

Wouldn't it be seeped into your clothing?

Yet they report the exterior of the property was meticulously groomed...must have had a gardner.

1 posted on 07/18/2005 8:07:43 AM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: DCPatriot

Yes, it IS out of the ordinary.


2 posted on 07/18/2005 8:09:09 AM PDT by ikka
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It appears they are giving this obsession a name. IMO, one more human weakness given a medical name so as to absolve personal responsibility.


3 posted on 07/18/2005 8:09:39 AM PDT by DCPatriot
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Don't worry, therapy videos and specialty pills will soon follow.
4 posted on 07/18/2005 8:11:07 AM PDT by jb6 ( Free Haghai Sophia! Crusade!)
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...the bizarre story of Ruth Knueven and her 488 cats...

Does that qualify as heavy petting?

5 posted on 07/18/2005 8:13:03 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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The women to whom I have been introduced that rescue cats all appear to be somewhat poorly groomed and not advocates of good hygiene.

I can only guess what their homes look like inside.

6 posted on 07/18/2005 8:17:49 AM PDT by DCPatriot
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This happens so much that there must be a mental condition involved here. Regarding the stench and filth, it's simply amazing what the human body can adapt to. When I was a boy, there was an old lady that lived in filth down the street from us. Just walking by her house, the stench would knock us out. Turned out she had about 40 cats living in there and some of them had been dead for months when the authorities finally got involved and put her in a nursing home.

Speaking of which, I had the most bizarre and sickening dream just last night. I dreamed that I was making sandwiches out of garbage from a dumpster. I had all these rolls laid out on a picnic table and I was using a spade to get garbage out of the dumpster and I was lading the muck into the sandwich rolls. As I was doing this, people were walking up and grabbing the sandwiches as quickly as I made them.

7 posted on 07/18/2005 8:18:38 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (Need a Waffle House in Massachusetts)
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It's a symptom of obsessive compulsive disorder.


8 posted on 07/18/2005 8:22:26 AM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: SamAdams76

Let's analyze this dream, shall we? How about.....you can't believe all the crap your feeding to people and they are gobbling it up???

Homer


9 posted on 07/18/2005 8:29:39 AM PDT by HomersNose
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Pet Hoarding Not Out of the Ordinary

I know that the English language has been thoroughly assasinated by PC, and clear, precise words redefined, but I refuse to accept this one!

I have yet to run across a single similar nut case in any neighborhood I have ever lived in, nor do I know anyone else who has.

If this form of insanity is "not out of the ordinary", it must be "ordinary". No?

I don't buy it for a second!

10 posted on 07/18/2005 8:30:39 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Every once in while cat ladies make the local news. My wife and daughters have accumulated four cats. Thats two cats over the local legal limit. My threats to have them removed fall on deaf ears because they know I am only a man. I would not want to face the consequences of offending these cat loving women in my life. So clean up duty, vet bills, and all the rest fall to me from time to time because euthanasia is only a flickering hope.


11 posted on 07/18/2005 8:30:43 AM PDT by carumba
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I had all these rolls laid out on a picnic table and I was using a spade to get garbage out of the dumpster and I was lading the muck into the sandwich rolls. As I was doing this, people were walking up and grabbing the sandwiches as quickly as I made them.

If we ever picnic together, how about going dutch?

:-)

12 posted on 07/18/2005 8:36:13 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum
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It appears they are giving this obsession a name. IMO, one more human weakness given a medical name so as to absolve personal responsibility.

Surely, you don't consider this sane behavior. ? .
Aren't "personal responsibility" and "insanity" mutually exclusive?

13 posted on 07/18/2005 8:47:55 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: carumba
Ever considered "mysterious disappearance"?

I have always been a cat person, but my limit instinctively has always been one (1).

14 posted on 07/18/2005 8:51:03 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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"Gary Patronek, a veterinarian who teaches at Tufts University" -- Now, now - you can't really say that this is 'out of the ordinary'- you have to take in to account his cultural, ethical, moral and community frame-of-reference. This guy (and his fellow researchers)live and work in Massachusetts.

You have to remember the religious and cultural context of that state - (pederasty, homophilia, lesbianism, rape of minors is appropriate behavior for a Congressional representative, drowning a girlfriend is okay for a US Senator, abortion, homosexual and lesbian pimping is an appropriate side-line for a government official, the dominant marriage paradigm in Holy Scripture is polygamy according to a Catholic priest/professor at Boston U, the pastor at Our Lady Help of Christians in Boston pushes gay marriage and told his parishoners that Jesus, Mary and Joseph "were not meant to be an actual historical reproduction of the Holy Family", etc.) - all of these represent what is truly 'normal'.

Sheez! When you people learn and become more tolerant.


15 posted on 07/18/2005 8:51:09 AM PDT by NHResident
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I was using a spade to get garbage out of the dumpster and I was lading the muck into the sandwich rolls. As I was doing this, people were walking up and grabbing the sandwiches as quickly as I made them.

Did someone recently tell you how informed they were, because they watch CBS news every night, by chance?

16 posted on 07/18/2005 8:59:58 AM PDT by ikka
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Pet Hoarding Not Out of the Ordinary

In bizarro world.
17 posted on 07/18/2005 9:10:28 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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What is the psychiatric diagnosis for people who do things such as this. It has to be a symptom of some mental illness.


18 posted on 07/18/2005 9:10:58 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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thats nothing!! my wife, a vet tech, has now accumulated 18 various species and types of turtles! all rescued,(her word) from roads, pet shops and neglectful pet owners. I must add none were healthy when they came to us.(respiratory problems, shellrot, fungi, missing limbs, ect.) now, they are at least healthy. I forgot to mention 2 cats 2 dogs and 2 snakes.
19 posted on 07/18/2005 9:16:12 AM PDT by gdc61 (P.H.A. , hi my names Dave, and I, am a pet hoarder.)
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I know I'm insane but I watch Animal Cops. They say that the smell starts slowly and the hoarder becomes immune to the smell.

OTOH, I lived near a pig farm for a year, I never got used to the smell.

20 posted on 07/18/2005 9:19:17 AM PDT by tiki
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