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To: SlowBoat407

Sorry, I am not impressed. A country which is all for justice simply can't fool around with its own principles when things get tough. The pictures taken in Abu Ghraib are, and will be forever, testimony to the fact that human rights were abused on a large scale. Especially the fact that people were tortured to death is unbearable. That's operating in the good ole'Saddam style. Guantanamo is terrible, and if all USA lawyers and law professionals who protested against that camp are left weasels or liars, then my name is Archie Bunker. It often seems like American rightwing hardliners who run out of arguments for defending Abu Ghraib/Guantanamo, or excusing them, start hurling abuse or poking misguided fun in short, simple sentences.


97 posted on 07/18/2005 6:22:35 AM PDT by Pat The Postman
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To: Pat The Postman

Pat, there simply is NO moral equivalence between Saddam Hussein and the USA. I know you will never believe this. But fortunately you are way outnumbered and good men will continue to fight and die to defend moral relativists who would paralyze us from acting against great evil until we have achieved some utopic moral perfection.

With your reasoning, we and Britain had no standing to confront Nazi German and Imperial Japan and later, Stalinist Russia, until we had become a "perfect" societies with no circumstances of even small instances of inhumanity by any of our own hundred million souls.

Our people who have committed abuses and excesses at Abu Ghraib are being prosecuted for it. Compare the evidence at their trials to that of Saddams activities at Abu Ghraib in his soon upcoming trial and tell us with a straight face that we had no moral high ground from which to act. Better yet, tell it to the Iraqi people.


103 posted on 07/18/2005 6:41:08 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Pat The Postman
I know you believe you know it all, but you really do not understand how stupid you sound? Perhaps this type of thinking that allows WWI, WWII, the Cold war, and the war in Bosnia and Kosovo to take place?

I know you think you understand this topic, but this is just so pathetic. When you wrote, "Especially the fact that people were tortured to death is unbearable." Where do you get this garbage?
121 posted on 07/18/2005 10:07:20 PM PDT by Sprite518
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