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Al-Qaida's U.S. Nuclear Targets
WorldNetDaily ^ | 7/18/05 | FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN

Posted on 07/18/2005 3:39:51 AM PDT by Man50D

Al-Qaida's prime targets for launching nuclear terrorist attacks are the nine U.S. cities with the highest Jewish populations, according to captured leaders and documents.

As first revealed last week in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, the premium, online intelligence newsletter published by the founder of WND, Osama bin Laden is planning what he calls an "American Hiroshima," the ultimate terrorist attack on U.S. cities, using nuclear weapons already smuggled into the country across the Mexican border along with thousands of sleeper agents.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


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To: Man50D

Ahh, a little Wacko Nut Daily with my coffee.


101 posted on 07/18/2005 6:28:30 AM PDT by rattrap
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To: Pat The Postman

Can you provide documentation for the "thousands" that have snuck into Iraq.


102 posted on 07/18/2005 6:39:53 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Conservatism: doing what is right instead of what is easy)
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To: Pat The Postman

Pat, there simply is NO moral equivalence between Saddam Hussein and the USA. I know you will never believe this. But fortunately you are way outnumbered and good men will continue to fight and die to defend moral relativists who would paralyze us from acting against great evil until we have achieved some utopic moral perfection.

With your reasoning, we and Britain had no standing to confront Nazi German and Imperial Japan and later, Stalinist Russia, until we had become a "perfect" societies with no circumstances of even small instances of inhumanity by any of our own hundred million souls.

Our people who have committed abuses and excesses at Abu Ghraib are being prosecuted for it. Compare the evidence at their trials to that of Saddams activities at Abu Ghraib in his soon upcoming trial and tell us with a straight face that we had no moral high ground from which to act. Better yet, tell it to the Iraqi people.


103 posted on 07/18/2005 6:41:08 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: silverleaf

Sorry, but you extended, stretched my arguments up to a point where I begin to feel inclined to not agree with them anymore myself (LOL). Of course no society ever is perfect. Of course there are greater and lesser evils. Of course removing Hitler and Mussolini couldn't be done without causing suffering and harm to others. No dispute about that.
My great trouble with Guantanamo Bay is that some hundreds of Afghans were incarcerated without any process and are there now for four years. The great rights that are allowed to suspects in peace and wartime in the West have been denied to them, and the Geneva Convention has been circumvented by a dodgy trick: re-naming them 'illegal combatants'. They are, by all accounts, subjected to mental torture (sensory deprivation round the clock, or super-bright lighting round the clock, or American rock music (sorry, couldn't resist the last one)). America respects freedom of religion, so the cheap Koran-bashing that occurred there is a sign of weakness and a moral crime. The normal support of lawyers and a normal proceeding of court cases is being denied to them, and this goes also for normal application of military law. It doesn't wash, and it's a mess. Where are the great revelations that were expected from the Guantanamo Bay way of doing things? Have we found major info on what Islamist plans are, or where the main perpetrators reside? I don't think so.
As for Abu Ghraib: I can't believe that Graner, England and co. acted the way they did out of their own invention. The articles by Seymour Hersh in The New Yorker point towards commands from very high ranks. And Rumsfelds declaration that he was fully responsible for the aberrations, and the fact that he did little of consequence for himself: in my country, Holland, declaring that you are fully (100 and not 95 percent) responsible, in politics and military, means only one thing: that you are doing the honourable thing, and resign. Not so in America: only one day later President Bush named Rumsfeld an outstanding Secretary Of Defense, the best the country had ever seen.
Later, Pat.


106 posted on 07/18/2005 7:05:19 AM PDT by Pat The Postman
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To: Pat The Postman

Well, you failed to answer my questions and I was not addressing DCPatriot. Dutch quality or "rightist orientation" are nonspecific, nonquantitative, subjective terms that do not answer my questions.

What documented information do you possess to suggest that Tony Blair fabricated said stories? We learned long ago in this country that reporters often have a personal agenda. Why do you think people reporting the news have any more credibility than Tony Blair or George Bush? Do you understand the difference between a refereed report and one accepted as truth because the reporter says it is so?


107 posted on 07/18/2005 7:27:16 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Conservatism: doing what is right instead of what is easy)
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To: Pat The Postman
The great rights that are allowed to suspects in peace and wartime in the West have been denied to them, and the Geneva Convention has been circumvented by a dodgy trick: re-naming them 'illegal combatants'.

Pat, surely you are aware that one of the "guests" at Club Gitmo, Osama Bin Laden's personal chauffeur, had his case (and your arguments) considered by the US Supreme Court.

Which referred his case back to the (quite liberal) DC Circuit Court of Appeals for adjudication...which JUST last week ruled 3-0 that, under US and international law (yes they cited international law in their decision), this man who drove a mass murdering terrorist chief to his war planning rendezvous', was rightfully detained at Gitmo in the custody if the US miltary and was NOT entitled to Geneva Convention protection as an enemy combatant! Gee, those terrorists better start wearing uniforms and carrying ID cards....

So he was given the same rights and the same legal review by the highest civilian courts in our land, as available to any American who drives mass murdering terrorist leaders to planning rendezvous and is captured overseas in battle against US troops.

So I guess he's back to being a POW with free room and board (lemon chicken and rice....mmmm) and free spiritual counsel of his choice (courtesy of the US military) ... until his side wins the war or we do.

Sucks to be captured in battle, dun't it? Especially ask our troops (and our civilians) who have been captured by Osama's minions...if you can find any to talk to.
108 posted on 07/18/2005 7:40:54 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Well, I don't have the time to collect all articles to substantiate my arguments, apart from the fact that many of them are in Dutch anyway. However, I will do some research tomorrow and see if I can come up with something useful.
Same goes for the Blair issue. What has been determined, though, is that the first major report used by Blair and co. to underscore their claims was a hasty and very dodgy remake of a bad report by, I think, a student in the USA. The UK administration even preserved the linguistic errors contained therein. Blair's claims on the 45-mins-before-launch-missles MUST have been fabricated, however, because he's on record as having made them in a Parlamentary hearing, and neither Hans Blix (about 6 weeks before finishing his search) nor his American successor has found these missiles. Had they done so, then we would have been literally showered by photos, stories, and triumphant comments from hundreds of US and UK officials about how right they are. So well... said stories were fabricated under the supervision of mr Blair. If MI5/6 did so without his knowing, he still is 100% responsible politically; in a proper democracy it goes without saying that a politician must always act as if what he claims is by himself held to be completely true, and if his servants were the ones who fabricated, it still is so that the PM has to act as if he himself can validate the claim.


109 posted on 07/18/2005 8:11:16 AM PDT by Pat The Postman
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To: DCPatriot
They ended up right here.


110 posted on 07/18/2005 8:20:18 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: bill1952
As horrifying as that photo is...it is probably the most efficient way to quell violence and instability.

"Kill them all and let God sort it out"...as someone once said.

111 posted on 07/18/2005 8:24:13 AM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: DCPatriot

Eh...
the drama shown in the photo is the most efficient way to quell violence (...)? I beg you... that's tantamount to saying that drinking a lot of alcohol is the best way to stay sober, or something like that.
And I think that 'kill them all and let God sort it out' won't be appreciated by God. He may well send proponents of such a line of reasoning to eternal damnation...(no personal offense intended, but a means to say that not one line in the Bible motivates towards something like this; it could well be a motto thought up by a Muslim radical like Mohamed Atta, remember him?).


112 posted on 07/18/2005 8:50:09 AM PDT by Pat The Postman
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To: DCPatriot
It is attributed to Arnaud-Armaury, the Abbot of Citeaux, and "spiritual advisor" to the Albigensian Crusade.

Pope Innocent III ordered the Albigensian Crusade, to purge southern France of the Cathari heretics.
It began in the summer of 1209, with their first target - the town of Beziers. The Catholic faithful in Beziers refused to give up the Catharis among themselves.
The crusaders invaded.

When Arnaud-Amaury was asked whom to kill he replied "Kill them all. God will know his own."

The crusaders slaughtered nearly everyone in town, over 20,000, either burned or clubbed to death.
Thus they achieved their goal of killing the heretics who were hiding in the town among the Catholic faithful.

BTW, arguing with a troll is a waste of good thought.
113 posted on 07/18/2005 8:57:21 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Grut
The point about small-country or terrorist nuclear weapons - of either the 'dirty' or 'big bang' types - is that their use would wonderfully concentrate the US's attention on the user. This has not, in the past, proven to be a good idea.

Muslim countries are walking a fine line, taking up unrestricted warfare on our civilians and cities; but since most of them are ignorant of history past the 14th Century, and are illiterate in any language but their own to boot, they invite a kind of warfare that they cannot even envision.

The Germans and to a lesser extent the Japanese introduced the theory of "unrestricted warfare" in WWII, to their eventual regret: They forgot that the United States invented "scorched earth" warfare during the Civil War. (Sherman's march to the sea) The Germans never even managed to destroy London, even using everything from manned bombers to the precursors of Cruise Missiles and ICBMs. The US became City-Killers beyond their wildest dreams, which essentially put paid to their ideologies.

On the other hand; Iran, Syria, or even Saudi Arabia contain no cities that even rate a 10-kiloton pony bomb. They manufacture nothing, they make nothing, there are no industrial centers that could benefit from the application of a nuclear weapon. (Well, perhaps Teheran, where they are attempting to build one, and a single 20-megaton would solve that problem, likely forever)

The thing to remember about these people is that they are the ultimate parasites, technologically. H*ll, if Toyota stopped selling them trucks and SUV's, they'd be as militarily effective as, say, the Comanche were. The much more efficient method of dealing with them would be using Fuel-Air Explosives and the occasional MOAB. This would have the additional advantage of being environmentally friendly.

114 posted on 07/18/2005 9:43:43 AM PDT by Right Winged American (No matter how Cynical I get, I just can't keep up!)
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To: Right Winged American
V.S. Naipaul on that kind of parasitism.
115 posted on 07/18/2005 9:53:04 AM PDT by dighton
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To: Right Winged American
The Germans and to a lesser extent the Japanese introduced the theory of "unrestricted warfare" in WWII, to their eventual regret: They forgot that the United States invented "scorched earth" warfare during the Civil War. (Sherman's march to the sea)

"Unrestricted" warfare was introduced a lot sooner than that. For the oh-so-civilized Europeans, Napoleon revolutionized the concept of of "unrestricted" war. And Sherman couldn't hold a candle to Attila or to the Legions of Rome when it came to scorched earth.
116 posted on 07/18/2005 11:33:39 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Pat The Postman; All

How do you know there were no WMDs? Saddam had enough time to smuggle them to neighboring countries like Syria. ALso, Iraq isn't exactly a small country...it's about the size of California. Do you think it would be hard to fill just one trailer with chemical and biological agents and bury it somewhere out in the middle of an uninhabited, and isolated desert.


117 posted on 07/18/2005 9:15:17 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Regan 3:16: He whooped Communism's ass!)
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To: Man50D

"According to the author, the news sent Bush "through the roof," prompting him to order his national security team to give nuclear terrorism priority over every other threat to America.

However, it is worth noting that Bush failed to translate this policy into securing the U.S.-Mexico border through which the nuclear weapons and al-Qaida operatives are believed to have passed with the help of the MS-13 smugglers.
"


This is the real disturbing part. After Sept 11th one would think a President would do what he swore to uphold. However, he just lets the boarder go. Our governement has sold out our security. There will be hell to pay if this nightmare scenario happens. This leads me to the ultimate question. How many more Americans will have to die in the name of political correctness?


118 posted on 07/18/2005 9:30:42 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Pat The Postman
Yeah France the surrender monkeys, and nothing like Germany. LOL! You know more people died in the back seat of Ted Kennedy's car than at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay combined. I know putting panties on some terrorist head upsets you, but that is far from atrocity.
119 posted on 07/18/2005 9:38:36 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Pat The Postman

Keep drinking that Kool Aid in Europe. You obviously not research the facts. Virtually everything you said is wrong. I just do not even know where to begin. I love it when leftist try to talk military history. It's like listening to a salesman try to tell a doctor how to do his job. Its just too funny.


120 posted on 07/18/2005 9:46:36 PM PDT by Sprite518
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