JFK & JOE WILSON

http://www.politicsus.com/011304cjk.htm ^ | 07/17/2005 | Stocksthatgoup

[Bommer]

The top may bew a typo, Because at the bottom of the announcement states:

Tuesday, January 13, 2004

12:00 p.m. Manchester Women’s Voice On the Trail Discussion
Governor Jeanne Shaheen, Lt General Claudia Kennedy
YWCA 72 Concord St

[stockpirate]

I think this is great, I hope Rush picks up on this Monday........

[stockpirate]

I think you are right on target.

[Shermy]

Looks here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007776/posts

MSM totally disinterested in Wilson/Kerry connections. But the Bostaon Herald bothered to ask. Makes it around May 2003.

[Bob]

No, that's a typo for 2004.

Do you happen to have a link for that?

There's an sfgate.com article from October 2003 where Wilson claims to have been advising Kerry for "about five months" so, at a minimum, he was on board with Kerry before he wrote his NYT op-ed piece in July.

[Morgan in Denver]

Between the cocktail circuit of Washington DC and their press and Democrat contacts, I find it hard to believe Wilson was picked up by Kerry without having spent a fair amount of time and effort vetting him and using his knowledge prior to his attaching himself to the Kerry campaign. Then there's the dissection of the link between Wilson and Cooper which provided information nobody else had at an unusual time. Add in the connections between Hillary with Matt Cooper and his wife, who works for Hillary. Add in the Schumer and Wilson press event, and it all gets stranger and stranger.

[Shermy]

See # 24.

[FormerACLUmember]

Joe Wilson IS Tommy Flanagan, the Pathological Liar (played by Jon Lovitz on SNL):

Announcer: And now, a message from Pathological Liars Anonymous.

Joe Wilson : Hello, my name is Joe Wilson , and I'm a member of Pathological Liars Anonymous. In fact.. I'm the president of the organization! I didn't always lie. No, when I was a kid, I told the truth. But then one day, I got caught stealing money out of my mother's purse. I lied. I told her it was homework -that my teacher told me to do it. And she got fired! Yeah, that's what happened! After that, lying was easy for me.

I lied about my age and joined the army. I was thirteen at the time. Yeah.. I went to Vietnam, and I was injured catching a mortar shell in my teeth. And they made me a three-star general! And then I got a job in journalism, writing for the National Enquire.. er, Geographic! Yeah.. I was making twenty thousand a ye.. month! In fact, I won the Pulitzer Prize that year! Yeah, that's the ticket.

And then my cousin died - Joe Louis - and I took it hard. Maybe too hard - I tried to kill myself. Yeahh.. I did kill myself! Sure! I was medically dead for a week and a half! It was a woman that brought me out of it - Indira Gandhi! Yeah, right.. And she told me about Pathological Liars Anonymous. Oh, you'd be surprised how many famous people belong. In fact.. at one of the meetings I met my wife - Morgan Fairchild! Yes, I'm a change man now, and all because of Pathological Liars Anonymous. Why, I - I even have my picture on the cover of Newsweek magazine. Yeah. Every day! Yeah.. that's the ticket! Yeah, you betcha!

[Shermy]

"Between the cocktail circuit of Washington DC and their press and Democrat contacts, I find it hard to believe Wilson was picked up by Kerry without having spent a fair amount of time and effort vetting him and using his knowledge prior to his attaching himself to the Kerry campaign."

Vetting? How about Sandy Berger? Funniest thing, Clinton laughed about long knowing Berger's problems. Kerry had to learn about it in the press a week before the Dem nat. convention.

[CedarDave]

My daytimer says January 13 fell on a Tuesday in 2004, not 2003.

[REDWOOD99]

I wish you'd change that headline to "JF'nK & JOE WILSON".

[Doctor Raoul]

Day of the week reference says the top is a typo. This was a 2004 event.

[mission9]

Both Joe and Valerie contributed to Al Gore in 2000, with Valerie even listing her name, Valerie Plame, and her employer, the cover firm that the CIA made up. Joe and Valerie are typical of the party hacks that occupy all levels of the government bureaucracy, but have a special penchant for the State Dept.

[CedarDave]

The date on the link is 2004:

http://www.politicsus.com/011304cjk.htm

[Yaelle]

Heckofa find. Let me guess: this wasn't in the NYT?

[FReethesheeples]

Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's cover?

It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.

Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:

He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.

Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.

Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful ("hot") wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.

I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.

However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair. (Or was it Vogue? No, probably too crass for Vogue, n'est pas?)

[Yaelle]

with Valerie even listing her name, Valerie Plame

Wow, she was so undercover that even her undercover NAME was under cover!

Good thing she wore that SCARF in her Vanity Fair cover shot so no one would recognize her!

[FReethesheeples]

Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's cover?

It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.

Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:

He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.

Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.

Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful ("hot") wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.

I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.

However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair. (Or was it Vogue? No, probably too crass for Vogue, n'est pas?)

[Fedora]

Thanks. Some related information:

What Wilson Didn’t Say About Africa: Joseph Wilson's Silent Partners

While Wilson was pursuing his foreign investment ventures, he also served as a foreign policy advisor to the 2000 Presidential campaign of Al Gore. A company the Gore family had a long-term relationship with, Occidental Petroleum, shared business interests with Alamoudi-affiliated companies in Africa and the Middle East, and employed as Vice President for Middle East business Odeh Aburdene,24 who shared a complex network of relationships with Rock Creek’s Elias Aburdene and Joseph Wilson--notably, all three contributed to Arab-American Congressional Caucus leader Nick Rahall,25 who supported Muslim lobbying groups linked to terrorists and opposed military action in Iraq.26 Abdurahman Alamoudi also contributed to Rahall, and sat on the steering committee of Arab Americans for Clinton/Gore '96 along with his associate James Zogby, who later advised Gore’s 2000 Presidential campaign.27 Wilson had worked as an aide to Gore from 1985 to 1986 and had developed a friendly relationship with him. Wilson says Gore was the first person outside the State Department to contact him expressing support when he was caught in Iraq in the middle of the diplomatic crisis leading up to the Gulf War. In 1997 Gore recommended Wilson to President Clinton to help him plan a trip to Africa. When Wilson began publicly opposing Bush’s Iraq policy in 2002, Gore was still considered a potential candidate in the 2004 election. Gore’s speeches were then being sponsored by the antiwar group Moveon.org, which Wilson would support in September 2003 in an attempt to petition Congress against appropriating funds for Iraq operations.28 Moveon.org was financed by billionaire George Soros,29 who had business interests encompassing, among other things, the BTC Pipeline that Mohammed Alamoudi’s Delta Oil was helping build.30 Later, after Gore announced in December 2002 that he would not be running in the 2004 campaign,31 Moveon.org began supporting John Kerry’s campaign.32 Wilson began advising Kerry’s campaign on foreign policy matters around May 2003 [I guess we can now make that January 2003--Fedora], several months prior to his public entry into the Niger uranium controversy.33 By this time, from at least fall 2002, the French intelligence operation to push the Niger forgeries on British and US intelligence was already underway. Meanwhile, from as early as at least January 6 2003--prior to President Bush’s 2003 State of the Union address where the President made the African reference which Wilson criticizes--the Democratic National Committee was already circulating a memo planning a public relations strategy which would include “[c]laiming the Bush administration has ‘manufactured’ evidence against Saddam Hussein and used that evidence to encourage Britain and other allies to join the American fight against Iraq."34

[leprechaun9]

I formatted it to read:

07/05/03 - State department Memo on Wilson.
07/06/03 - Wilson Article.
07/07/03 - Powell waving St. Dept. memo on trip to Africa.
07/08/03 - Novak talks to Rove.
07/11/03 - Cooper talks to Rove.
07/11/03 - Cooper E-mail to Editor.
07/11/03 - Rove E-mail to Hadly.
07/??/03 - Miller talks to Rove.
07/??/03 - Cooper Talks to Libby.
07/14/03 - Novak Article.
07/17/03 - Cooper Article.