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To: FormerACLUmember; unsycophant; mware; Mad Mammoth

The really irritating thing is Wilson copping the posture of "victim" in his TV appearances.



His body language and demeanor shout, "Bush made me a 'victim.' I will profit mightily from this. My wife may even take it all off for Playboy to make a buck off of this."


Snort---that routine is so familiar----the last refuge of a left-leaning scoundrel---victimization.


30 posted on 07/17/2005 5:06:21 PM PDT by Liz (You may not be interested in politics; doesn't mean politics isn't interested in you. Pericles)
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To: Liz
...the last refuge of a left-leaning scoundrel---victimization.

Au contraire, that is the FIRST refuge that liberals and leftists seek out, for if they are not perceived as victims by society, there is no interest in publicizing their many woes and sufferings at the hands of their persecutors.
31 posted on 07/17/2005 5:09:59 PM PDT by Mad Mammoth (God said it, I believe it, and that settles it.)
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To: Liz

RE: Your comment at # 30. Thanks for the Laugh Break. I share your sentiments! The foloowing account may be illuminating re: Your #30:

Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's "cover" (even if she had not been a covert CIA agent at the time of the alleged leaks)?

It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.

Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:

He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.

Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.

Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful ("hot") wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.

I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.

However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair.

The David Corn (Nation) article about Valerie Plame's CIA status, written only a day after he met with Joe Wilson, is highly relevant to and inferentially corroborative of the above account as well.


53 posted on 07/18/2005 7:12:38 AM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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