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Accusations obscure facts in leak - Scandal around Karl Rove, Joseph Wilson, and who said what
Houston Chronicle ^ | July 17, 2005 | MICHAEL HEDGES and BENNETT ROTH

Posted on 07/17/2005 12:41:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Howlin

hanks. I am but a humble striver! :-)


101 posted on 07/17/2005 9:56:32 AM PDT by JennysCool (Be good, and you will be lonesome. - Mark Twain)
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To: Wristpin

I'll tell you another fundamental question that has not been addressed: What role did someone at the CIA have in all this?

The CIA was responsible (perhaps under prodding by press?)for filing a criminal complaint under the 1982 law. From everything available so far, it's pretty clear that Plame was merely on NOC status because noone bothered to change it. She was working at a desk and hadn't been involved in covert ops overseas for six years while she began the "mommy track."


102 posted on 07/17/2005 10:32:39 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: balch3

No worry, most people just buy the comical to get the coupons.


103 posted on 07/17/2005 10:39:39 AM PDT by hobson
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To: wildbill

Do they pay NOC's extra for the increased risk of the duties?


104 posted on 07/17/2005 11:08:31 AM PDT by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Look, we all know there is no basis for prosecution of Rove for outing a CIA agent. What I'd like to know for sure is whether or not Fitzgerald can widen the scope of his grand jury's investigation. In the old days of the Independent Counsel the AG and/or the courts had to officially be requested to allow that. I believe a grand jury can go wherever the investigation takes them. If that's true, then it's very noteworthy that Joseph Wilson has never testified before this grand jury nor has his wife. It seems a particularly simple task for Fitzgerald to question her as to when and where she was "covert" since this seems to be a major bone of contention. That tells me that he/she could very well end up being the target of this investigation since it's not unusual to have a target not be questioned before a grand jury that's possibly going to indict him/her. After all, no lawyers are allowed in the room and pleading the Fifth becomes a nuisance, albeit a constitutional one. However Wilson and/or his wife may have already been questioned by federal officials outside the grand jury and those officials may have testified.

As an aside let me say in light of Wilson's rather questionable personal business dealings and qualifications for going to Niger on behalf of the CIA in the first place, along with the fact that he never filed an official report upon his return, there is the distinct possibility that he could be guilty of much more than simply obstructing justice or perjuring himself. Links to individuals involved with the Oil for Food Scandal along with suspect uranium dealings could very well be much bigger fish to fry.

105 posted on 07/17/2005 11:40:48 AM PDT by blake6900 (YOUR AD HERE)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I wonder who New York Times reporter Judith Miller's source is - perhaps Ms. Plame herself?

Perhaps Mrs. Matt Cooper, aka dem operative Mandy Grunwald? Washington seems to be a very close circle of friends.

106 posted on 07/17/2005 11:52:10 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The White House, meanwhile, directed officials to sign waivers releasing journalists from any confidentiality pledge they had made in conversations concerning Plame.

A little known fact. This means that anyone who worked in the White House gave journalists permission to publicly out them as sources on the Plame deal. That means Rove was not a source or they would have outed him at his request.

The only source could be someone who did not work at the White House. It's obviously Wilson who outted his own wife.

107 posted on 07/17/2005 12:00:16 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: blake6900

We'll find out what kind of a special prosecutor this is.

Is he fair or is he a politcal hack?


108 posted on 07/17/2005 12:06:01 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: DouglasKC

The very idea that Wilson's lawyer tried to make it look like Rove had just released him from any confidentiality, when he had it all along (a blanket one according to your report and again when the investigation began and then a reminder to Wilson's lawyer after the judge's ruling) is all one has to know.

They needed to smear Rove, Bush and the Administration and the facts were in the way.


109 posted on 07/17/2005 12:09:10 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Is he fair or is he a politcal hack?

I hear he's fair and tough. I don't know that Ashcroft appointe him as SP.

110 posted on 07/17/2005 12:24:12 PM PDT by blake6900 (YOUR AD HERE)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Is he fair or is he a politcal hack?

I screwed that post all up. What I meant was I've heard he's fair and tough. And he was appointed special prosecutor by John Ashcroft.

111 posted on 07/17/2005 12:25:36 PM PDT by blake6900 (YOUR AD HERE)
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To: blake6900

The fact that the msm is bending over backward to tell me how fair he is (you were very even handed), makes me question his position.


112 posted on 07/17/2005 12:30:42 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: blake6900
Ashcroft appointed him but often the right will appoint someone from the other side to stop the squealing that will inevitably follow if you appoint a member of your own party.

We hand things to our enemies and they never give up anything unless forced to.

113 posted on 07/17/2005 12:33:03 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The fact that the msm is bending over backward to tell me how fair he is (you were very even handed), makes me question his position.

You're right. I recall how fair Kenneth Starr was when he first took over that investigation. Then the MSM got it's marching orders for Klinton and that was that.

114 posted on 07/17/2005 12:48:47 PM PDT by blake6900 (YOUR AD HERE)
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To: blake6900

Exactly.

And march they did.


115 posted on 07/17/2005 12:57:06 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: wildbill; Howlin; Mo1; All
I'm cracking up here .. just finished watching Anchorman with Will Ferrell as "Ron Burgundy." That's my new image of Joe Wilson .. LOL.

And then there's this .. just hilarious ..

"AMBASSADOR WILSON: Well, I know Tariq Aziz, of course. And what I can say is that it may be in fact true that Saddam Hussein is in charge, but not because Tariq Aziz has said so. Tariq Aziz is very articulate and very erudite, but the bottom line on him from my perspective is, would you buy a used car from that man? And I wouldn't. He has lied to me on many occasions on issues pertaining to the lives and the welfare of American citizens being held hostage in Iraq during the Gulf War, and also just being forbidden from traveling outside of the war zone at that time.

So, I don't trust a thing that Tariq Aziz has to say."

(snip)

"AMBASSADOR WILSON: Well, this is actually one area where I might believe Tariq Aziz, because he told me quite emphatically in 1988-89, in a meeting dealing with the Iran-Iraq War, that the Iraqis reserve the right to use every weapon and any weapon in their arsenal when they were invaded. Now, they clearly are calling the American action, the coalition action, an invasion. And when he says they reserve the right to use every weapon in their arsenal, I assume that to mean chemical and biological weapons, if they have them and can use them. So, our military planners ought to be anticipating that they will, if they can, use chemical weapons and/or biological weapons."

Wilson-Iraq ======================================================

They could sell this as a new reality show ... "Fun With Joe + Val, The Spies Next Door."

116 posted on 07/17/2005 1:18:37 PM PDT by STARWISE
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To: Miss Marple
It has been reported that Wilson and Richard Clark received consulting contracts from the CIA's Counter Terrorism Council.
117 posted on 07/17/2005 1:47:24 PM PDT by subrosa sam (subrosasam)
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To: Echo Talon

Love the t-Shirt!

Is it for sale?


118 posted on 07/17/2005 2:14:07 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales iappears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: FReethesheeples
Love the t-Shirt!
Is it for sale?

Buy the shirt

119 posted on 07/17/2005 3:00:02 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Is the CIA political to the point where they would work to undermine a President - like work with a Woodward to oust a Nixon or cut the legs from under Bush? Does the CIA have a dog in this fight?
120 posted on 07/17/2005 3:00:57 PM PDT by GOPJ (Phil Donahue "has made the world safe for emotion masquerading as thought."-BOZELL III)
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