[incredulous joe]

Yeah, that's it. Is this a pervasive movement, or just something kicked around among wing-nuts and gadflys.

[janetgreen]

In Los Angeles we've seen flyers, T-shirts, spray painting on walls referring to Atzlan. They seem to be associated with "The National Council of La Raza", probably all the same bunch. There's also MECHA and LULAC, both organizations pushing for "immigrant rights" (meaning illegal aliens).

Their members are actually elected into city councils because of the huge hispanic population, and L.A. just elected a mayor with MECHA ties. He seems like an OK guy, but people are holding their breath waiting to find out what his policies will be.