"To: Concerned:
Very well put, I must say."
by pa mom
BTW, Thanks pa mom! Looks like nmh disagrees with you and me:
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(1) - I HAD STATED: "Senator Santorum is an elected public official. His staff is NOT."
NMH RESPONDED: "His staff and their PRIVATE life is as PUBLIC as that of Santorum. It's just the way it is."
No, that is NOT the way it is. I repeat...a person on Senator's staff is NOT a public person.
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(2) - I HAD STATED: "I am about as pro-life and anti-sodomite-lifestyle as one can get, yet I have no problem with Santorum's stance. (BTW, I prefer to use the Biblical term for such behaviour.)"
NMH RESPONDED: "SO, why do YOU defend it?"
I DON'T defend sodomite behaviour. I DO defend Santorum's stance. He did, and said, exactly the RIGHT thing.
BTW, how do you KNOW what Santorum KNEW when he (or possibly a high-level staff person) hired him?
Also, how do you KNOW whether someone is a sodomite or not? Just by seeing what they wear? By hearing their voice? By being in their bedroom? By you ASKING them what they do in their bedroom and them TELLING you what they do there---and you BELIEVE them, even though you didn't SEE them in their bedroom and they could be putting on an act to make you THINK they are sodomites, KNOWING it disgusts you?
Please, NMH, please tell us how you KNOW---for SURE---that someone is a sodomite.
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(3) - I HAD SAID: "I used to work as a sales person with someone I strongly suspect was a sodomite. We worked together, however---as a TEAM---extremely well and we were the TOP two in sales in the store."
NMH RESPONDED: "It's YOUR choice who YOU frequent with. My Bible tells me to SEPARATE from them. From a secular perspective you are KNOWN by the company you keep and defend. So much for you as a moral example.
Let me guess...you don't "frequent" with ANY sinners? That would be a neat trick...Tell us how you do it. I'm going to have to recheck the version of my Bible...I thought it said that we are ALL sinners and fall short of the Glory of GOD.
NMH, I didn't "frequent" with the guy...I will repeat what I said: "I used to work as a sales person with someone I strongly suspect was a sodomite."
I didn't socialize with the man---I worked in the same store he worked at. I wasn't in a position to hire or fire employees. And again, unlike you, apparently, I don't have any clairvoyant abilities to KNOW if someone is a sodomite---I just strongly suspected it.
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(4) - I HAD SAID: "He NEVER said a word about what he did in his bedroom or with anyone he might have been involved with. In fact, I have NO idea IF he was seeing anyone because he NEVER mentioned it."
NMH RESPONDED: "You don't have to. Santorum KNEW. But that didn't stop him for using the homosexual to HIS advantage - SELF GAIN, now did it?"
Again, I ask...HOW do you KNOW that Santorum KNEW what the man did in his bedroom before the man was hired? The way to know is for Santorum (or whoever hired him) to have ASKED him BEFORE HIRING and for the man to have TOLD Santorum (or whoever hired the man)---and then the man could have made up that he was or was not a sodomite. Really, the ONLY way to KNOW---for SURE---is to WITNESS the behaviour. Then, there is NO question.
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(5) - I HAD SAID: "THE KEY is that it is NOT what people do in their BEDROOM that offends people so much---it is what they do and FORCE you to see IN PUBLIC!!! "
NMH RESPONDED: "Excuse me but it's what's done when no one is looking is what is MOST telling about the person. Take your LIBERALtarian compartmentalization nonsense and put it where the sun doesn't shine."
Please see my responses to #2 and #4. If they keep their behaviour in their BEDROOM instead of at the WORKPLACE (or other public venues), no one would have to WITNESS it or even have to know about it, and they could therefore not claim special privileges BECAUSE of their CHOICE of BEDROOM activity.
Oh, and I wouldn't think that GOD would be pleased with the language you just used to describe where I could put my purported beliefs. =/;o)
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(6) - I HAD SAID: "To me, it really makes NO difference whether you are FORCED to see PUBLIC indecency by two sodomites, two heterosexuals, a pedophile and their victim or anyone participating in indecent behaviour IN PUBLIC---I don't want to see ANY of it!"
NMK RERSPONDED: "To OTHERS, it DOES. Yes, put your head in the sand when confronted with it and maybe it will go away."
I don't think you understood my point. My point was that sexual activity---heterosexual OR homosexual---does NOT belong in the public view. I don't want to have to witness ANY promiscuous sexual activity in public---heterosexual OR homosexual.
As far as that bedroom goes again, unless we are THERE, NONE of us REALLY KNOWS what someone else does in THEIR bedroom. I wasn't condoning such behaviour---I was saying I don't want to have to WITNESS promiscuous sexual activity---heterosexual OR homosexual---IN PUBLIC, and I have no interest in VISITING their bedroom to confirm what anyone else does there.
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(7) - I HAD SAID: "Let me ask you: If you had a sales business, i.e. your business DEPENDED on sales volume, and a sodomite was a fantastic salesperson and in fact, was the TOP salesperson in your sales force, wouldn't YOU want to have the VERY BEST PRODUCING SALESPERSON work for YOU??? I sure would! And apparently, Senator Santorum thinks the same way."
NMH RESPONDED: "There are plenty of STRAIGHT people around to chose from. I'm not as COMPROMISED as YOU. Santorum is a HYPOCRITE for SELF SERVING reasons."
Again, how do you KNOW---for SURE---what someone does in their BEDROOM? And please explain what effect what someone does in their BEDROOM has on the quality of WORK they do. Although employers would HAVE to ASK, be TOLD and BELIEVE a prospective employee's answer, the KEY POINT here is that an employer shouldn't even KNOW what a person does in their BEDROOM---such topic has NO BUSINESS even being discussed in the workplace!!!!!
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(8) - I HAD SAID: ""BTW, we ALL have sinned and fall short of the Glory of GOD!" NMH RESPONDED: "Yeah, and YOU REVIL IN IT and DEFEND IT!"
Wrong again, nmh. Not even close!
This guy's going a little far with the attacks. I agree with you all the way. (And was really grossed out recently by two heteros going at it in front of me--in the grocery store, no less. Though they do keep it really cold in there!)
I say you walk away. He doesn't seem really stable.