Posted on 07/16/2005 12:12:46 PM PDT by gopgen
OK - what group outed Traynham? Was it the gay group who had been bragging they were going to "out" all gay Republicans? I have read most all of the 200 plus posts on this thread and have not seen an inquiry/answer about this. Instead I see conservatives eating their own....just as whoever "outed" this guy intended. From what I've seen neither side here has convinced one person of the other side to their view.....nothing but near flame wars. I think it is more important to know who and why this guy was "outed".
HUH?
It's a false assumption; there is no necessary congruence. The unhypocritical and genuinely Christian response is exactly as Santorum has demonstrated and stated it.
Santorum is not a hypocrite unless you assume that anyone who knows, hires, or has a homosexual friend or family member has no choice but to support gay marriage or other social or political goals of gay activists.Especially since there's no consensus among homosexuals on the issue of marriage.
I'm not impressed with Santorum recently, but if someone's going to ding him, this is a really stupid reason.
Howlin, when you harp on what xzins' grandchild "is", you are confusing the meaning of what the word "is" is. Sounds Clintonian.
Recent, reliable statistics of persons who are confirmed gays and lesbians (not just a few adolescent experiences) put their numbers at less than 3% of the U.S. population -- far less than the 10% figure claimed by the now-debunked Kinsey. It would be hard to stretch that 3% over the entire rest of the population in an attempt to claim that everyone has a gay relative.
As my family's historian, having studied the ancestors and descendants on both sides of my family from the 1500's to the present, and the families of close friends, I can tell you that it has been common for most family trees to produce heterosexuals for centuries, on virtually all branches.
True, no one knows what people do in secret, but if you take the ability to marry, reproduce and stay married as indicators, it's possible to not to have any persons who feel compelled to identify themselves as homosexuals in multiple generations.
Our current extreme social disorder and anti-family propaganda may start to change all this. Remains to be seen. But to me, that is also proof that homosexuality is a behavior, not an inborn trait.
I beg your pardon? The conservatives I know place an overarching value on heterosexuality as a life-giving bond between husband and wife within the family unit, and negative value on other sexual arrangements including homosexuality. They are quick and consistent to judge this important matter. That doesn't mean they hate or are quick to mistreat people who demonstrate homosexual tendences or behavior, however.
Some conservatives haven't lost their good sense or voices. Thank goodness.
"For what it's worth, I think for anyone to call you "ugly" is laughable. :-)"
As you can see self serving hpocrisy has its ardent "conservative" defenders. LOL!
It disgusts me.
They talk out of both sides of their mouth. There is the PUBLIC mouth and the private mouth - no you don't need to elaborate on the private mouth of a hmosexual.
You may want to consider the fact that they are giving you a hard time because you are uptight about them. I worked in the fashion publishing industry in NYC and it was never an issue. You knew some of those guys had to be gay (I mean, the fashion sense!) but they never gave you any reason to think so.
I'm not all about politics. I think Santorum should hire who he wants. I think any Senator has that right. I think any employer has that right.
Just a menopoause joke, was having a hot flash while reading the thread.
--nothing to do with the subject.
For the record, I do agree with you. These articles do bring out the homophobes and the hypocrisy amazes me, especially since the holier than thou (or "them") chorus uses God to support their hatred. "It's God's word."
Well, the Bible also tells us to judge not, lest we be judged and get the log out of eyes before we worry about the speck in our neighbor's eye.
I have enough problems in my life to worry about than who sleeps with who. That is between them and God.
Further, IMHO, Sexuality and abortion have no place on a politcal platform.
See, I think you are born with a predispostion to being gay. My cousin is gay and his brother is the most macho thing to come down the pike. Same household, same high school, same college. They are fraternal twins so it's not genetic, but they shared as close to an upbringing as there can be.
That's where we differ. I also think this is a generational thing.
Do you really want to purge the party of homosexuals? They are not welcome?
You have made some excellent points here. Thanks, maybe you are here to influence us!
"But homosexuality is not inborn, not hereditary, and not unchangeable."
That's where we differ. I have a gay member of the family whose upbringing was remarkable similar to his straight brother. I believe he was just born different.
That doesn't really seem nasty. I think his point is, how would you deal with the fact that someone you love is gay. It's easy to spew venom at some unknown boogey man, but what about when it's your own blood?
Very well put, I must say.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.