If it wasn't Novak, Rovak or Kovak... it must have been Kojak.
Posted on 07/16/2005 9:37:20 AM PDT by Checkers
"He's .... a slightly more masculine version of Elanor Clift."
Eleanor without the earrings ?
If it wasn't Novak, Rovak or Kovak... it must have been Kojak.
Well .. it's pretty strong. But then David doesn't try to sweeten the truth.
The information nobody seems to be connecting to this PLOT by Valerie - are the main people involved in the PLOT!
The Wilsons were great friends and fund raisers for THE CLINTONS. There were many CIA-Clinton leftovers who I'm confident would be willing to assist the Clintons in anything they might want to do against the Bush admin. I know that may sound like I need a tinfoil hat, but after reading Bill Sammon's book, "At Any Cost", I read about actions of the democrats in 2000 which shocked me. So the fact that a member of the CIA would have more allegiance to the Clintons would not be a surprise to me at all. Plus, there is other speculation that Valerie's boss okayed the trip - and he left the CIA right after the Wilson/Niger event erupted. I sure do believe he needs to be brought before the Grand Jury.
I don't suspect the Clintons because it's fun to bash them. I have more than one specific reason for suspecting them of being involved in this PLOT.
First of all, Mark Rich was involved with the Oil for Food program, which makes the Clinton's involvement very suspect.
Secondly, Clinton had been all over the place undermining the WOT and whining about Franch and Germany not being in agreement with our going into Iraq. Bill even made a special effort to visit all those nations that were AGAINST AMERICA GOING INTO IRAQ. We learned both France and Germany had lucrative contracts with Saddam .. and of course they didn't want the war. I wondered if Clinton was being paid by some of those countries to try to stop the war ....... stop the war ...... as in PLOT.
Thirdly, Clinton was overheard talking with Blair at a cocktail party in London. The gist of the conversation went something like this .. "if you don't stop supporting Bush in this war, you will lose your election". I thought that was an ODD THREAT for Clinton to make .. except when Wilson's Niger incident blew up - and it appeared to smear both BUSH AND BLAIR. Hmmmmm? I couldn't help but wonder if Clinton had known about the Wilson/Niger incident AHEAD OF TIME ..??
If David is correct and it was a PLOT - Bill and Hillary Clinton are right in the middle of it .. at the least .. or planned and executed it by using the Wilsons .. at the worst.
Aren't you sorry now you said "tell me what you think"..??? LOL!
Corn is such an *ss. How about a new term - Corn-ography. Don't let your children download it.
If Kojak released info early and wrongly, would that be premature Kojaculation?
Who loves ya, baby?
"If Kojak released info early and wrongly, would that be premature Kojaculation?"
Was Corn wearing a blue dress?
Yeah, I didn't realize it was David Corn until I read the stories by Cliff May - and if David was the instigator .. who did he get the inspiration from ..?? I agree that's the question - was Corn just making it up or was Wilson feeding him the story ..?? Since both of them are suspected liars .. who knows!
Both of them are in search of an upper lip. It went wherever their brains did.
Thanks for clearing that up, Checkers.
Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's cover?
It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.
Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:
He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.
Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.
Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.
I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.
However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair. (Or was it Vogue? No, probably too crass for Vogue, n'est pas?)
BUMP
That's a great point - we already know everything about Wilson's 'report' is a fraud - he never should have been sent on this 'mission' and his report was bogus and he never should have pretended to the public (these past two years) that his conversations over "warm mint tea" could ever possibly prove or disprove* anything about Iraq seeking uranium from Niger. Now we need someone to find out whether Valerie had any further role in this boondoggle - i.e., did she go on the trip, did she have anything to do with his report, did she use him to further any sort of position she was taking within the CIA vis-a-vis WMDs????
Wilson's report only added some 2nd-hand support to the concerns about Iraq and Niger uranium, though he was too dense to realize it, because he did relay the information that "Baghdad Bob" himself had tried to initiate trade talks with Niger.... since Niger has exactly ONE export that could be of any potential interest to Saddam (besides uranium, the other options for Niger's potentially booming trade relations with Baghdad are "livestock, cowpeas, onions").
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ng.html
Careful, Joe will blame you for posting that picture.
prove or disprove*
Whoops, forgot to add this note for my asterisk:
*Why don't any of the media heavyweights (sarcasm) ever point out that the very idea of being able to conclusively disprove ANYTHING about interest in, never mind shipments of uranium ore by sipping "warm mint tea" with some current and former regime officials is preposterous on the face of it???!!! Even if every official swears until blue in the face and chokes on their mint tea denying that there has even been any Iraqi approach on the subject, that could never be definitive, far from it. Anyone who was the object of such an approach and the Niger government itself would have the strongest possible motives for denying it to the USA - there were sanctions in place against Iraq, and uranium was/is obviously a far more sensitive subject than chickpeas anyway. The report from Joe Wilson (which DID offer some indication Iraq was interested in Niger's uranium, despite Wilson's block-headed denials) and even more the op-ed he wrote for the NY Times (July 6, 2003) are absolutely obtuse in their assumption that anyone in Niger is automatically going to volunteer such info.
(Niger Official): "Oh, holy chickpeas, the great Joe Wilson is inquiring about possible Iraqi interest in our uranium, I'd better volunteer everything I know!"
Nobody is as impressed with them as they seem to be, are they?
Boris and Natasha fits them rather nicely, don't you think?
Since Mrs. WIlson's cover was blown years before and she was an expert in WMD it would have been more locigal for the agency to send her over to snoop around....OTOH A married couple on holiday would raise less suspicion...So the hubby goes (along)....Now what logical excuse can we have for sending him (at tax payers expense).....We'll have him appear to take the journey talk with a couple of people and write a report. She can go covert (They'll spend most of their time UNDERtheCOVERS anyway).....IT ALL MIND GAMES for the WIlson's. They think they're important...and.... They know how to manipulate the word "is".
Wonder who will play the part of Wilson? ;^)
Hey Rockey! Watch me pull a rabid outta my hat!
But that trick never works.
This time for sure!
Nothin' up ma sleeve...
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