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1 posted on 07/15/2005 10:25:17 PM PDT by Williams
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Message to all ignorant leftists



George Bush will go down in history as a great man with vision, he will be credited with turning the Middle East 16th century mosh pit into a modern civilization. All of you naysayers and haters will be remembered as the MORONS who tried to stand in his way and stop him.


392 posted on 07/16/2005 5:48:30 PM PDT by John Lenin (The Clintons must go !)
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For the record, JKR turned in her manuscript to the publisher Christmas Day 2004...


403 posted on 07/16/2005 6:03:03 PM PDT by ace2u_in_MD (You missed something...)
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I have read the first page. I believe she is taking a swipe at the American President.

I agree with her! Harry Potter Timeline

424 posted on 07/16/2005 6:56:49 PM PDT by Tribune7
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How "sadly misguided" of you to jump to the conclusion that that reference has ANYTHING to do with Bush, or even
Blair. Why would a REAL historical figure, especially Blair, be put into a book that is obviously fanstasy? You assume a lot.


427 posted on 07/16/2005 7:09:04 PM PDT by willyboyishere
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Finished it in 10 hours. Bring on the next and final book! For those seeing Bush bashing in the cute first chapter I see rather bashing of politicians in general. The PM could be anyone (except Lady Thatcher!), and the peripherally referred to President could be from many countries. France is probably the most mentioned non-British country in the series and the US has hardly been mentioned at all in the series. What isn't vague is the attitude throughout the series towards politicians and government agencies, which could have been written by written by Reagan.


435 posted on 07/16/2005 7:45:49 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (I)
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Your wretched .


436 posted on 07/16/2005 7:50:23 PM PDT by fatima
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The author could have been referring to the President of France, no?


444 posted on 07/16/2005 8:33:13 PM PDT by TheStickman (If a moron becomes senile how can you tell?)
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Harry Potter is probably a Democrat.


455 posted on 07/17/2005 6:33:52 AM PDT by Taft in '52
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I think you need to carefully re-read ALL the Harry Potter books again.

I don't think she is as anti-President Bush as you think. After all, note that Rowling depicts the newspapers in the wizarding world somewhat poorly; remember Rita Skeeter Goblet of Fire (what a tattletale and then some!), Luna Lovegood from Order of the Phoenix (note how Luna is quite a bit embarassed by her father's scandal sheet newspaper at times), and how everyone more or less puts down The Daily Prophet in the latest novel.

462 posted on 07/17/2005 6:49:13 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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It`s amazing this J.K. Rowling makes so much money on these Harry Potter books considering she ripped off the idea verbatim from a video game. I guess some companies just don`t believe in suing.

http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?name=Spellcasting+201


478 posted on 07/17/2005 5:10:19 PM PDT by EdHallick (In Spain they have the running of the bulls, in France they have the running of the away.)
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Don't know if this was pointed out or not in here...

This current chapter of HP was to have taken place in 1997-98.

Clinton was in office.

But then again, it's also still a make-believe story. As a female was PM then.


493 posted on 07/18/2005 9:45:23 AM PDT by MacDorcha (In Theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.)
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If you seriously have nothing better to worry about than three words in a Harry Potter book, I envy your serene existence.


495 posted on 07/18/2005 9:47:44 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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What makes you so sure it is Bush? A 'distant country' could be France and the 'wretched man' Chirac. France has always been distant to Britain despite the narrowness of the Channel. After all, Wogs begin at Dover.
498 posted on 07/18/2005 9:56:10 AM PDT by kgdallen (Reality man)
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Well the new Harry Potter book has arrived and I can report the first page of the first chapter contains an obvious jab at our president. The book begins with the British Prime Minister awaiting a phone call from the "President" of an unnamed distant country, and wondering when the "wretched man" would call.

Why on earth would you assume it was Bush? I am sorry but this is just plain stupid!

521 posted on 07/18/2005 1:26:58 PM PDT by Quinotto (On matters of style swim with the current,on matters of principle stand like a rock-Thomas Jefferson)
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I'm not saying anything else in the chapter was intentionally connected to current events, but I had to draw the comparison with what has ended up in British headlines at the same time as the book release.

Unless she has formidable magical powers of her own, Rowling couldn't have been writing the book for the last two years based on the headlines at the time of its release.

Let alone the last thirteen years, if you believe what Rowling says about that first chapter. Which I'm inclined to do. If I were Rwoling, as soon as I had the concept, I'd be thinking about the intersection of the wizard and muggle worlds, and how to make the suspension of disbelief plausible. She just couldn't work it into the narrative until now.

In the most rabid fan debate circles, there's a running debate over when the Harry Potter books are set. If Harry's first year is when Rowling first had the idea, then book six is still solidly in the Clinton years.

But that speculation is silly because the time is deliberately vague -- I don't recall much muggle technology more modern than telephones, power drills and toasters. There is an enchanted Ford Anglia, which means we're talking about the 50s at earliest. Something might have slipped from my memory, but I don't recall any computers, mobile phones, PDAs, or even digital watches and pocket calculators.

That's both wise marketing and an aesthetic decision. You don't need to be too specific or write anything that will get dated. Great juvenile fiction stands the test of time. Rowling's work could be at the same time as Roald Dahl's -- I've always thought the two were very similar -- though they were written decades apart.

But back to politics.

If you've finished the first chapter, it's difficult to see how you can see it as a partisan dig, no matter whom you assign to which role -- the Prime Minister is befuddled and largely ineffectual, the opposition leader an opportunist exploiting tragedy for political gain. No one is noble. It's an easy dig on all politicians, not an endorsement of any one over any other. And part of that general dismissal of politicians is that the PM is dreading a call from the "dreadful man" he smiles at and slaps on the back in public.

I haven't finished book 6 yet, so I'll focus on Book 5, in which it becomes obvious that Rowling is a pro-Bush Tory through and through.

(Spoiler space just in case folks haven't read book 5 yet)











A devious evil, which is obvously meant to represent Islamic terror, has risen. The bumbling feel-good bureaucrats in the Ministry of Magic (clearly the Clinton administraton) refuse to believe it until it strikes on their own soil, by which time it has infiltrated and corrupted the Ministry itself. They finally accept the truth, but only after many losses and even then they are equivocal and ineffective at fighting it until (in book 6) replaced by a hawkish leader.

Bottom line: It's kid fiction. Very, very good kid fiction, but if you squint hard enough you can find anything in it. It's a silly exercise, just as it is when some know-it-all college sophomore goes looking for exemples of Marxist dialectic in Hop on Pop.

526 posted on 07/18/2005 2:46:56 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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...children's classic.

Little early for that, I'd say.

529 posted on 07/18/2005 3:39:23 PM PDT by Petronski (So, ma cherie, you like ze boum boum?)
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What a stupid post. There are plenty of wretched presidents, including (for example) Robert Mugabe. You're free to read in a swipe at Bush if you want, but it's a pretty lame thing to do. (It's hard, for example, to call him the president of "a far distant land," which the US is not....)


530 posted on 07/18/2005 3:42:45 PM PDT by r9etb
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The book begins with the British Prime Minister awaiting a phone call from the "President" of an unnamed distant country, and wondering when the "wretched man" would call.

Who's to say it isn't Chirac?

535 posted on 07/19/2005 11:58:02 AM PDT by montag813
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Well, it couldn't be Tony Blair and W, they are fast friends.


536 posted on 07/19/2005 12:04:07 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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Well, just to keep things going, here's a new coment by Rowling on Chapter 1:

From: http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/extras/aa-jointerview2.html

MA: Yeah, chapter one, and current world events, specifically in the last four years. Terrorism and the like; has it factored into your writing, has it shaped your writing?

JKR: No, never consciously, in the sense that I've never thought, "It's time for a post-9/11 Harry Potter book," no. But what Voldemort does, in many senses, is terrorism, and that was quite clear in my mind before 9/11 happened. I was going to read last night [ie, do the midnight reading at the castle] from chapter one. That was the reading until the 7th of July [bombings in London]. It then became quite clear to me that it was going to be grossly inappropriate for me to read a passage in which the Muggle prime minister is discussing a mass Muggle killing. It just wasn't appropriate, as there are touches of levity in there. It was totally inappropriate, so that's when I had to change, and I decided to go for the joke shop, which is all very symbolic because, of course, Harry said to Fred and George, “I’ve got a feeling we’ll all be needing a few laughs before long.” It all ties together nicely. So no, not consciously, but there are parallels, obviously. I think one of the times I felt the parallels was when I was writing about the arrest of Stan Shunpike, you know? I always planned that these kinds of things would happen, but these have very powerful resonances, given that I believe, and many people believe, that there have been instances of persecution of people who did not deserve to be persecuted, even while we're attempting to find the people who have committed utter atrocities. These things just happen, it's human nature. There were some very startling parallels at the time I was writing it.


541 posted on 07/20/2005 6:33:49 PM PDT by Tangerine Time Machine (Orange you glad it's not a lemon?)
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