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To: aMorePerfectUnion; netmilsmom; Mrs. Don-o
to say that Mary draws people to her son. It is a leap apart from scripture

Mary was the Tabernacle of God for 9 months ... do we agree on this? Mary was the first to gaze on the Son of God ... are we still in agreement? Mary suckled the Son of God at her breast. Where is any of this in Scripture? The evangelists did not write down each and every second of the life of Jesus from the time of His birth until His death and resurrection, did they? Each one took a different approach to 'recording' some of these events and even then, didn't fully comprehend their role until years after Christ had resurrected.

Like freeper 'RaceBannon', you have just justified the postion of a Magisterium and Oral Tradition. The Bible denies that it is sufficient as the complete rule of faith. Paul says that much Christian teaching is to be found in the tradition which is handed down by word of mouth (2 Tim. 2:2). He instructs us to "stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thess. 2:15).

This oral teaching was accepted by Christians, just as they accepted the written teaching that came to them later. Jesus told his disciples: "He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me" (Luke 10:16). The Church, in the persons of the apostles, was given the authority to teach by Christ; the Church would be his representative. He commissioned them, saying, "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations" (Matt. 28:19).

And how was this to be done? By preaching, by oral instruction: "So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes by the preaching of Christ" (Rom. 10:17). The Church would always be the living teacher. It is a mistake to limit "Christ’s word" to the written word only or to suggest that all his teachings were reduced to writing. The Bible nowhere supports either notion.

740 posted on 07/17/2005 1:43:43 PM PDT by NYer ("Each person is meant to exist. Each person is God's own idea." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer
"you have just justified the postion of a Magisterium and Oral Tradition."

If you were talking about the Assumption, that would apply. This topic however does not, because the things you noted are obvious and well covered in scripture.

"...honor one's father and mother. Now, what most people don't know about that commandment is that in Hebrew it literally reads, "Glorify your father and mother."

If it does, why do the Jews translate it, "honor."

741 posted on 07/17/2005 2:01:55 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: NYer
NYer,

I do not agree with your rationale. When the Apostle Paul penned those words, much scripture was not written yet. Teaching from the living Apostles was what was available.

Nowhere will you find oral teaching adding to scripture or supplanting it.

More to my original post... to say Mary draws people to her son is not found in scripture. To say that Mary can actually hear whatever you pray when you address her is not found in scripture. To say that even if she could hear you, that she will do something about it, that she has a power to do anything about it, that Jesus will always do everything she asks... no where to be found in scripture. And if someone taught these things at sometime, then they have simply added to what scripture teaches... based on what?! Nothing biblical. Every word of the Savior may not have been recorded, but to make up some and then teach them or act on them as if they are true is not Christianity.

742 posted on 07/17/2005 2:02:50 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: NYer
Yes the Hebrew for "honor" and "glory" are different. Here's a link to a Hebrew Bible and Deut. 5. See "honor" in Deut 5:15 and "glory" in Deut 5:20. The glory in Exodus 33 appears the same as Deut 5:20. Also
752 posted on 07/17/2005 3:04:59 PM PDT by spunkets
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