Posted on 07/14/2005 6:16:32 PM PDT by wagglebee
RUSH: "A Senate panel was told there was no torture at G'itmo." Club G'itmo featured no torture whatsoever. "The military investigation of interrogations at Club G'itmo found no torture occurred but one high-value al-Qaeda operative was subjected to abusive and degrading treatment when he was forced to wear a bra, do dog tricks, and stay awake for 20 hours a day. 'We look at this very, very carefully. No torture occurred,' Air Force Lieutenant General Randall Schmidt testified yesterday before the Senate Armed Services Committee. 'Detention and interrogation operations across the board looking through all the evidence that we could, were safe, secure, and humane.' John Warner who chairs the committee, pointed out that there were three episodes of questionable conduct in over 24,000 investigations, interrogations, involving some numerous thousand number of detainees." You know, wearing a bra, a dog collar staying up for 20 hours? I've seen that in San Francisco in the middle of the day! I've been out in San Francisco and I've seen people on dog collars and I've seen people on leashes! I've seen people walking other people around with dog collars and leashes on; I've seen them wearing brassieres and a lot of other -- lipstick -- and a whole bunch of -- stuff, folks, and they look like they're having a damn good time to me. It looked like they're enjoying every bit of it, but I guess we can't have this because these are Muslims, and this is degrading. Well, at least they're alive. Their heads are not chopped off; they're eating a lot of great food. They're getting their prayer sessions and so forth. I just marvel at the ongoing outrage over this.
Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, the committee's ranking Democrat, said, "It is clear from the report that detainee mistreatment was not simply the product of a few rogue military police on the night shift." Rogue military police! "Rogue military police," describing our interrogators at Club G'itmo. Now, the New York Times also has a story on this, and I'm sure the New York Times... I mean, they had to run it. I mean, they couldn't bury this. But it's not what they wanted to run. The headline for the New York Times version is: "Report Discredits FBI Claims of Abuse at Guantanamo Bay." Now, who made an FBI claim of abuse at Guantanamo Bay? Oh come on, now, folks. Search the deep, dark crevices of your fertile memory. Yes. It was none other than Illinois senator Dick Durbin who went to the floor of the Senate and read from an FBI e-mail he had received, describing all this horrible treatment that he compared to what would happen to you if you were in Cambodia under Pol Pot, or if you happened to be in a Soviet gulag, or if you happened to be in a Nazi Germany concentration camp. But from the New York Times story itself: "The report also said investigators could not corroborate an incident recounted about an FBI agent who said she saw a detainee shackled to the floor for hours, soiling himself and pulling out his hair." Why, that's the very e-mail that Durbin quoted from on the floor of the Senate; the very e-mail that Dick Durbin relied on to defame military and to compare our military to Hitler, to Stalin, and to Pol Pot! It can't even be confirmed as accurate.
It's not even close enough for the mainstream press to lie about it. It's not even close enough for the New York Times to allege that it might have happened. It's not even close enough for Dan Rather to forge documents showing that it did happen -- and I suspect that Durbin knew it at the time he used it on the Senate floor. I will bet you that Durbin knew that it couldn't be confirmed or hadn't been confirmed. Durbin wanted to believe it. You'll recall that John Warner specifically admonished Durbin telling him he needed to wait for a determination of whether in fact that e-mail was accurate. Warner obviously knew the military couldn't confirm the contents of that e-mail, and so, too, must Durbin have known, but Durbin didn't wait. He went ahead and ran with it. We all know what happened after that. He blamed me for "amplifying" his words, and that led to the very successful creation of the Club G'itmo division at the EIB Store, which has led now to literally thousands of items of Club G'itmo gear being purchased from the EIB Store, and the Club G'itmo line is showing up all over this country. The photographs that we are being sent by people who have purchased Club G'itmo gear are being posted in our Club G'itmo Photo Gallery, more and more each and every day. It might be one of the first times that Dick Durbin can actually be said as a liberal Democrat to have helped the economy here, ladies and gentlemen. We have pictures of people outside Jumpin' Jim Jeffords office in Montpelier, Vermont. We have pictures of people outside the Texas office of Sheila Jackson Lee.
We have people all over the country taking these pictures of themselves in Club G'itmo gear. Here's one picture of Phil at a Michael Moore-sponsored film festival in Traverse City, Michigan -- and the one with the Jumpin' Jim Jeffords office in the background actually features a woman jumping in the air wearing her Club G'itmo shirt. Her name is Racquela, jumping at the Jumpin' Jim Jeffords home office in Montpelier, Vermont. You ought to see these. They are at RushLimbaugh.com. Frazier and Dan at Sheila Jackson Lee's headquarters in Houston, right underneath the sign on the side of the building with her office. They're great pictures, and all over the place at our brochure location, which is the Rush Limbaugh website, RushLimbaugh.com, at the Club G'itmo Photo Gallery. It's easy to see it, and you can get your pictures posted sending them to ClubGitmo@RushLimbaugh.com. So no torture at Club G'itmo, just a brassiere. What else? A brassiere -- was it a dog collar? A brassiere, a dog collar, being forced to stay awake for 20 hours. You know, if you've ever had to pull an all-nighter to, get your way through a test in college or high school... It strikes me that this was just outrageous. People show phony, fake, mock outrage over all of this -- and, of course, it all happens one week after 53 people dead in London, and yet we remain concerned over a few incidents of this kind of behavior down at Club G'itmo. There are some other things.
"A female interrogator smeared fake menstrual blood on a prisoner. A Navy officer threatened one prisoner by saying he would go after his family. An FBI agent said a prisoner was bound in the head with duct tape, his mouth covered because he was chanting verses from the Koran." This of course is all considered to be un-American. We can't do these kinds of things! Why this makes us no better than them. Also: "A prominent Islamic scholar who exhorted his followers after the September 11th attacks to join the Taliban and fight US troops was sentenced yesterday to life in prison. Ali al-Timimi was convicted in April was soliciting treason, inducing others to aid the Taliban and others to use firearms in violation of federal law. He said, 'I will not admit guilt nor seek the court's mercy. I do this simply because I am innocent,' the Fairfax cleric said in a ten-minute address before the sentencing. The attorneys Edward McMahon and Alan Yamamoto argued al-Timimi was unfairly prejudiced at trial by inflammatory evidence of his religious beliefs and accused prosecutors of misconduct for unfairly linked al-Timimi to Osama bin Laden. McMahon said, 'We had to defend ourselves against bin Laden in this trial, and I am appalled by some of his views, yeah, but he's not a man of violence.
"This man, our defendant, our client, is not a criminal.' US assistant US attorney Gordon Cromberg said that al-Timimi 'hates the United States and has called for its destruction.'" My question is, is even a trial of these people un-American? I mean, should we put them on trial for their religion? Isn't that un-American. How dare we do this, ladies and gentlemen? I mean, what's going on in Club G'itmo is one thing, but to actually try these people because of their religion? Whyyyyy, I'm appalled! I can't believe that we would even bring these people to trial, Mr. Snerdley. This is just un-American. People who threaten treason; people who encourage and motivate others to join forces against the US? Well, I know we used to execute them but it's un-American to bring them to trial and humiliate theme this way. They're not familiar with our court system. How dare we do something like this! What's becoming of us, Mr. Snerdley? No, we should just stand by and lose the war. That would be the American thing to do. Don't forget, the Vietnam template.
I just want to know if Fraser and Dan are signed up with HAT FReepers, LOL! If they ain't, they should!
I was driving around all afternoon, so I'm not certain, but I think it was the second hour.
Virginia Beach. You?
A bumperoonie. I like the "What Happens In Gitmo, Stays In Gitmo" t-shirt, myself...
Leesburg, but Virginia Beach is on my list to where I may move come Feb.
I couldn't handle living in NoVA.
Half of the boys in 'Frisco would PAY to be treated like that!
Half of the boys in SF wish they were girls.
Either can I.Average house price about 500k.And to be honest the Muslim population up here is getting so bad there was a book written about it. Infiltration is the name of it. What is the population breakdown by you?
There is a huge amount of active and retired military (generally very conservative). We're getting a lot more Mexican (not too sure about legality) and a lot of Filipinos due to the military. Real estate here is going through the roof though, most homes have doubled in the past three years.
Thanks I was thinking Hampton Roads but I believe that area covers a lot of area. Also Norfolk.
The stats I gave you basically covered all of Hampton Roads.
Thanks again
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Believe it or not, this was formatted in paragraphs when I edited it. I'm sorry for the way it turned out.
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