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UK: Far right and football gangs plot 'revenge'
Guardian ^ | 07/15/05 | Hugh Muir

Posted on 07/14/2005 5:42:58 PM PDT by Pikamax

Far right and football gangs plot 'revenge'

Police monitor anti-Muslim websites Hugh Muir Friday July 15, 2005

Guardian Plans by an alliance of rightwing extremists and football hooligans to exact "revenge" on Muslims after last week's bomb attacks are being monitored by police.

The Guardian has learned that extremists are keen to cause widespread fear and injury with attacks on mosques and high-profile "anti-Muslim" events in the capital.

Football hooligans communicating over the internet have spoken of the need to put aside partisan support for teams and unite against Muslims. Hooligans from West Ham, Millwall, Crystal Palace and Arsenal are among those seeking to establish common cause.

As part of wider plans to generate a backlash, rightwing groups such as the Nationalist Alliance and the National Front are said to be planning marches. Extremists hope to hold a march along Victoria Embankment in London tomorrow.

It is also known that many mosques have received bomb threats since the attacks.

Attempts by the right to make capital out of the tragedy have created a powderkeg. Already extremist Islamist websites have told Muslims to be ready to retaliate.

The BNP has sought to capitalise on the atrocities by reproducing a picture of the bombed No 30 bus with the headline "Maybe Now It's Time To Listen To The BNP" in its byelection literature in Barking, Essex.

The tactic prompted cross-party condemnation. Though it was designed to increase support for the far-right, many believe the message may have been too crass and too badly timed to work. The party does, however, enjoy some support in the area.

Gerry Gable, of the anti-fascist organisation Searchlight, said: "There is no doubt that the far-right are playing this for all they think it is worth. If you look at the BNP website there's Nick Griffin saying 'be calm' and other material saying 'don't get angry, get even!'"

He added: "These things should be taken seriously. One site, Blood and Honour, had a posting about a mosque in the Wirral and soon after the mosque was hit. Soon after, the posting was taken down."

The police have pledged to crack down on any attempts to provoke division in the aftermath of the bombs. Members of Scotland Yard's independent advisory group have been asked to liaise with borough commanders in the capital to reassure the public and make sure the police carry out their pledges. The Met has said from the outset that the bombs were an attack on all communities and that none should be scapegoated.

The synergy between rightwing extremists and football hooligans is not new. Throughout the 1980s, some of the biggest clubs in Britain were plagued by notoriously violent and racist followers.

Though virtually all clubs have since challenged the behaviour of extremist fans, and almost all now belong to the Kick Racism Out of Football initiative, violent followers continue to communicate with each other and supporters from other clubs to engineer confrontations.

The prospect of the opening day Championship fixture between Leeds and Millwall in August is already causing concern.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: koranimals; londonattacked; paybackisabitch; soccer
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To: commonasdirt
In sults aside. I take it you are saying you have no problem supporting attacks on anyone whose skin tone differs from yours?

So when did you stop beating your wife, n00b?

101 posted on 07/14/2005 8:02:10 PM PDT by papertyger (There are three kinds of people in the world. - Gary Johnson, Actor)
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[maniacal laughter]

God bless football hooligans.

If the Muslims have Man U and Arsenal and Chelsea joining together, they are seriously @#$%ed. I believe I would pay good money to see it hit the fan between Muslims and the hooligans. Football hooligans are far crazier than any Muslim.

102 posted on 07/14/2005 8:02:21 PM PDT by jayhorn (when i hit the drum, you shake the booty.)
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To: commonasdirt; John Filson
Without seeing any evidence from the Guardian to support these allegations of violence I am not going to accept the validity of their claims.

Wisdom indeed. I always like a measure of calm assessment of the facts. I am with you.

However, having said that(love that cliche). Please forgive the old derring doo. Goodness knows where I picked that up from. The first thing I did when I read this thread was to pick up a quote from Siegfried Sassoon. Poet and decorated WW1 British officer. I quote:

"Snapping their bayonets to charge the mob,grim fusiliers broke ranks with glints of steel. At last the boys had found a cushy job. I heard the yellow pressmen grunt and squeal;as my trusty bombers turned and went To clear those Junkers out of Parliament".

Sassoon had broken down, he was absolutely sick of lies and promises. This is hard to accept, but the heady force of emotion and patriotic belief may yet wipe out political correctness.

I hope the lads restrain themselves- and PICK YOUR TARGET CAREFULLY. vis "Islam will rule Britain" and it's arrogant thuggish Islamists.

103 posted on 07/14/2005 8:02:23 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: SevenofNine

"Send Raider fan Bear fan Eagles fan to help Brit football fans LOL!"

They could do the job.


104 posted on 07/14/2005 8:08:42 PM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: Viking2002

"Let's send a stadium full of Philadelphia Eagles fans over."

No doubt they'd kick some Muslim fanny.


105 posted on 07/14/2005 8:09:37 PM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: nonliberal

"Or just Ron Artest and Charles Barkley."

You've got a point. Charles used to play for
our Phoenix Suns. I am told--I don't know
for certain--that there were a lot of
things hushed up about Charles and his inclination
to fisticuffs.


106 posted on 07/14/2005 8:12:03 PM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: Prince Charles
You wrote "You'll notice no one else is conversing with you. I think I'll join them." to commonasdirt.

Wise choice, I tried to reason with the guy and got the standard DU racism rant. He must think I want to kick my Lao wife out of the country. Think he is just a DU troll, wish we had a bozo filter.

BTW, notice how hooligan almost rhymes with Hulagu Khan? Hmmmm.
107 posted on 07/14/2005 8:12:57 PM PDT by fallujah-nuker (On September 11th they hit our cities, we should level theirs.)
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To: MikeGranby

"Like the Roman, I seem to see 'the River Tiber foaming with much blood'"

I'm afraid it's coming.


108 posted on 07/14/2005 8:13:01 PM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: Pikamax

Looks like Michael Savage is right, it would take the soccer hooligans to save the UK.


109 posted on 07/14/2005 8:14:02 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - DeCAFTA-nate CAFTA!)
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To: Zack Nguyen

"There are plenty of Philadelphia Eagles fans that need to bone up for the coming football season. I say send 'em over."

I'd say you're right.


110 posted on 07/14/2005 8:14:03 PM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: Black Tooth
Raider fans shoot each other in the stands, win or lose.

Yeah, but soccer hooligans do their destruction in swarming, terrifying masses of mindless destruction And now a snipit from SNL....

Andy Gray: Hello! And welcome to "Scottish Soccer Hooligan Weekly"! I'm your host, Andy Gray!

Ian Daglers: [ speaks haggardly throughout ] And I'm your other host, Ian Daglers! Hey!

Andy Gray: Ah, alright then, tonight's topics are: "Effigies: Are They Worth The Effort?" Why not just get the real guy?!

Ian Daglers: Very good point!

Andy Gray: And, uh, "Braveheart"; what battle tactics could we learn from this cinematic masterpiece?

Ian Daglers: Hey!

111 posted on 07/14/2005 8:14:50 PM PDT by stacytec
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To: Pikamax
I don't know why no one's come up with this ideaer yet:

-- the Who fans!

-- Waylon Jennings & Hank Jr fans!

112 posted on 07/14/2005 8:14:52 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Pikamax

I'll take football hooligans over Muzzy hooligans any day of the week!


113 posted on 07/14/2005 8:16:38 PM PDT by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
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To: Peter Libra

"This is hard to accept, but the heady force of emotion and patriotic belief may yet wipe out political correctness."

Thank you for a ligitimate debatable post Peter Libra. Regarding the above I would argue that "the heady force of emotion and patriotic belief" and the use of street thugs was what brought Hitler to power.


114 posted on 07/14/2005 8:17:11 PM PDT by commonasdirt (Reading DU so you won't hafta)
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To: commonasdirt
That is the best you can come up with....well a suppose it is. A legitimate debatable response would take some actual thought on your part.

Typical doctrinaire liberalism.

You've proven quick to castigate the siimple man whose sense of justice and fair-play has been violated by Mohammeden bigotry and chauvanism, but where is the first word on this thread where you've offered a viable remedy?

I'm not surprised though. Just like Kerry in the last campaign, you have no real answers, just complaints about the common man's sensibilities.

Honestly, this should be fun.

115 posted on 07/14/2005 8:17:46 PM PDT by papertyger (There are three kinds of people in the world. - Gary Johnson, Actor)
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To: Viking2002

Eagles fans are a kind and gentle lot. Just don't mess with us.


116 posted on 07/14/2005 8:18:59 PM PDT by Temple Owl (19064)
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To: commonasdirt
Does that comment mean anyone you can just drag off the street and string up?

Do I have a problem with that? I don't;

Guess what...I am running out of cheeks!

117 posted on 07/14/2005 8:19:15 PM PDT by danmar ("No person is so grand or wise or perfect as to be the master of another person." Karl Hess)
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To: papertyger

Typical doctrinaire liberalism.

Do you mean that arguing against mob rule is a liberal thing? And since you don't know me just let me tell you that I am about as far from being a liberal as one can get. I merely dilike the thought of mobs of thugs destroying property and beating people indiscriminantly. But what the hell, go right ahead, after all it worked for the Nazi's in the 30's


118 posted on 07/14/2005 8:23:47 PM PDT by commonasdirt (Reading DU so you won't hafta)
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To: commonasdirt
Awful late for this much caffeine innit?

I assume you posted to condemn the horrible bombings last week SOMEWHERE on this thread, I just can't seem to find it...

119 posted on 07/14/2005 8:24:04 PM PDT by Sam's Army
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To: commonasdirt
I would argue that "the heady force of emotion and patriotic belief" and the use of street thugs was what brought Hitler to power.

Of course you would...while conveniently ignoring the contribution of the Weimar years.

When will people learn whipping the horse that will pull to make up for the horse that won't eventually gets you an energetic horse that hates your guts?

120 posted on 07/14/2005 8:26:18 PM PDT by papertyger (There are three kinds of people in the world. - Gary Johnson, Actor)
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