And that is why democracy is not an antidote to Islam. Our world will have terror until Islam is expunged from the planet. Fascism and National Socialism are puny in comparison to Islam.
The thing which struck me the most in some of the conversations I had, was for the individuals concerned, it was not about "revenge" for some perceived wrong.. they had cleared their minds, and wanted to die because their delusional belief system tells them it pleases Allah, and they would be guaranteed to enter paradise.
One of the most insightful moments I had, was on a private online jihadi messaging forum (pretending to be one of them) in early 2002 before just about everyone on the planet became aware of the jihadi recruitment sites. I was talking to Muslims the US and EUrabia who were talking quite candidly about their dreams of becoming shaheeds. It's was a small group of a half dozen "regulars" including myself and an imam (I'll get back to the evil imam later) who was a kind of moderator... keeping watch on the individuals, answering questions and offering "guidance." During the course of the intense conversation, they never mentioned revenge once.
For these Muslims in the west, it's often not about revenge for whatever we have done. It was not about Israel, what the "crusaders, tyrants, Russians or Jooos" were doing to their "brothers," and all the other whining we're so accustomed to. It was all about them knowing they had sinned, and or strayed from Islam, and they were all scared... petrified, that they would never see paradise and its promises of rivers of wine and virgins.
It's because their lives have failed somewhere, and they see no other way to redeem themselves in the eyes of Allah, but to die while engaged in Jihad. Think of the jail house converts like Reid and Padilla.. They failed in society, but they are embraced by a new cult, a support system that tells them the society that has written them off and made them outcasts does not matter, its your redemption in the eyes of Alaah they must consider. Wafra Idris was yet another outcast her society, filled with shame and looking for a way out and to redeem herself.
If the coversation was not focused on themselves and what they expected in paradise, the budding jihadis would talk about how their whole families had assimilated and joined the ways of the kuffar, and they knew (according to their imams) that their family members would never enter Islams paradise. One of them asked the imam about his own brother. He was ashamed of his brother because of his lifestyle... he had turned his back on islam and was involved in homosexual relationship. Others had famly members that drank, gambled, or did not go to the masjids (mosque) for jummah. The imam assured everyone that a shaheed would not only saves himself, but gets to select 70 of those who are close to him to enter paradise with him. IMHO as far as shaheeds go, the Chechen Black Widows are probably one of the few where revenge may be a major factor and driving force for the individual shaheed. Like Wafa Idris, as mere women and non-virgins in their repressive Islamic society, I doubt their lives were going to be that great anyway.
I'm not writing off the "revenge" for political factor, but I've found that motivation often belongs higher up in the islamic terrorist foodchain for which the shaheeds its the lowest lifeform. The likes of the evil imam are the ones who are filled with hatred for the west and are pushing the political agenda, but they use the brainwashed Islamic masses to do their filthy work for them. Those like the imam are cowards because they dare not do it themselves, they incite, and indoctrinate others with evil to be selected for "martyrdom operations" one day. Their followers are cowards because they can not face the consequences of their lifes choices and where it has lead them.
The London bombers need not have killed themselves. They could have flung their bags into the packed subway trains as the doors were closing and tried to make their escape. Or they could have quietly activated a short timer and left a bag on the subway train or the bus and got off on the next stop as the doors began to close and the train or bus about to move away. They killed themselves not because the were brave enough to do so, or had to for some kind of "revenge," but because they were cowardly swine indoctrinated with MohamMADs recipe of evil who dared not face life.
"Inshallah, we will meet in Paradise"
As DS said: "And that is why democracy is not an antidote to Islam. Our world will have terror until Islam is expunged from the planet. Fascism and National Socialism are puny in comparison to Islam."