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To: familyop
Besides being much as Vespasian was in some ways, Giuliani is a radical social leftist. It's no surprise at all that he "is wildly popular" there.

The reason why he is popular is because of "zero tolerance" and the rebirth of New York. He's not well known in this country for social policy. In fact it's only on this site are there people who pay more attention to his social ideas rather than his ideas on local government. Try again.

Ivan

102 posted on 07/17/2005 1:01:02 AM PDT by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: MadIvan
Giuliani is a leftist. Here are some of the facts on that.

http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/Rudy_Giuliani_Abortion.htm

“I’m pro-choice. I’m pro-gay rights,” Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. “No, I have not supported that, and I don’t see my position on that changing,” he responded.
Source: CNN.com, “Inside Politics” Dec 2, 1999

"Anyone wanting to own a gun should have to pass a written exam that shows that they know how to use a gun, that they’re intelligent enough and responsible enough to handle a gun. Should both handgun and rifle owners be licensed...we’re talking about all dangerous weapons."
Source: Boston Globe, p. A4 Mar 21, 2000

http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/voting/20000601/17/747
"Whereas Giuliani and Mrs. Clinton have similar stances on social issues such as abortion, gay rights, and gun control,..."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/01/politics/campaign/01giuliani.html
"A former Democrat with liberal views on abortion, gay rights and gun control, Mr. Giuliani was virtually estranged from his party not long ago, having earned the enmity of many Republicans after endorsing Gov. Mario M. Cuomo, a Democrat, over George E. Pataki in 1994."

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http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/m-news+print+storyid-2772-PHPSESSID-814de17bebb35d2bf7e8a31459927ada.html
Rudy Giuliani: Alienating the Republican Base?

A Registered Democrat For Much Of His Life. [USA Today, 12/20/99]

Bush Campaign Acknowledges Giuliani and Bush's Core Differences. "Terry Holt, the spokesman for Mr. Bush's campaign, conceded that Mr. Giuliani's opposition to a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, his support of abortion rights and his staying with the gay couple during his divorce might alienate him from the party's base. But, he said, 'On the big issue that faces this country, Mayor Giuliani and President Bush walk arm and arm.'" [New York Times, 8/12/04]

Giuliani: Pro-Choice, Pro-Gay Rights. Rudy Giuliani is pro-choice, pro-gay rights and against a ban on partial-birth abortions. When asked to respond to social issues on CNN's Inside Politics, Giuliani replied, "I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights." He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing,' he responded." [CNN, 12/2/99]

Conservatives Find Giuliani's Positions Untenable. According to right-wing leader Paul Weyrich, Giuliani's pro-abortion and pro-gay rights positions, "were two things, which the conservative movement really couldn't swallow." [New York Times, 2/04/00, 9/05/02]

Giuliani Criticized Bush on Taxes. "Although Mr. Giuliani is running as a pro-gun control, pro-abortion-rights Republican who likes tax cuts, he did shy away yesterday from the large tax cut proposal of his political benefactor, George W. Bush, which has been criticized as too large and favorable toward the rich." [New York Times, 2/04/00]

Giuliani Hoped for More Inclusive Republican Party. Shortly after being elected mayor in 1993, Giuliani spoke of his hopes for the Republican Party, "Will you press your party to change its platform to allow abortion rights and gay rights?" Giuliani responded: "Sure. I have already. I'd like to see the Republican Party have a broad base, reach out to everyone on the basis of equal rights." [Meet the Press, 11/28/93]

Giuliani Finds New York's Needs Unmet. Just weeks before taking center-stage in support of the President, Giuliani criticized Bush's formulation of homeland security funding, "The formulas are incorrect. And the September 11th Commission also has a point that I agree with very strongly, which is that distribution of this money should be based on assessment of risk." [CNN Wolf Blitzer, 8/8/04]
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Social leftism is worse than a disease that destroys civilized societies. It is preparation for economic leftism.

"Then it will be plain that the first condition for the liberation of the wife is to bring the whole female sex back into public industry, and that this in turn demands the abolition of the monogamous family as the economic unit of society" (Frederick Engels, "Origins of the Family, Private Property, and the State" http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/ch02d.htm).

Mao's Little Red Book on Women
http://www.paulnoll.com/China/Mao/Mao-31-Women.html

Some of Lenin's words on women
http://www.marx.org/archive/lenin/works/1919/nov/06.htm

The following is from the "Manifesto of the Communist Party" (Karl Marx (1818-1883) and Fredrick Engels)
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm

"The bourgeois sees his wife a mere instrument of production. He hears that the instruments of production are to be exploited in common, and, naturally, can come to no other conclusion that the lot of being common to all will likewise fall to the women."

He has not even a suspicion that the real point aimed at is to do away with the status of women as mere instruments of production.

For the rest, nothing is more ridiculous than the virtuous indignation of our bourgeois at the community of women which, they pretend, is to be openly and officially established by the Communists. The Communists have no need to introduce free love; it has existed almost from time immemorial."


“Everyone who knows anything of history also knows that great social revolutions are impossible without the feminine ferment. Social progress may be measured precisely by the social position of the fair sex (plain ones included)” (Karl Marx Letter to Ludwig Kugelmann, MECW, Volume 43, p. 184, http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1868/letters/68_12_12.htm)
103 posted on 07/17/2005 1:30:23 AM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: MadIvan

And there is no sizable conservative party in Britain. The Conservative Party there is not even conservative. David Irving's friends claim to be conservative, but their evil preferred policies could only be enforced by national socialist government (as seen in Germany and Italy before and during WWII).


104 posted on 07/17/2005 1:35:12 AM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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