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To: gingersnaps
Still, I haven't yet seen evidence that that has corrupted the Dutch justice system. If anything, the Dutch system as practiced in Aruba is far, far tougher on potential suspects than we are here in America.

It may or may not be "tougher" on suspects, but it apparently is poor at getting evidence, justice and convictions or the ALE are incompetent or corrupt, which one remains to be seen.

Our American authorities could probably NOT have held any of the suspects jailed so far, for more than a day two, with an apparent lack of evidence that a crime had even been committed. AND, in America we would have to have provided each suspect with a lawyer during interrogation. AND, I doubt any American judge would have signed a warrant for searches of their property, phone records, etc.

Well your pal Mark Fuhrman disagreed yesterday on Geraldo, stating how easy it would have been for US cops to get a search warrant and seize clothing and evidence from the suspects the first night based on their false stories. He said the ALE blew it. Did you know Joran at first denied knowing Natalee until confronted with the fact that he was seen leaving C&C with her? As for you not having a benevolent attitude towards the 3 suspects, you have stated you "don't think they murdered Natalee, nor know of her ultimate fate." I think that is pretty benevolent considering what we know.

As far as Beth apologizing, it was to the people of Aruba, not the Kalpoe's and in fact she has recently reiterated she thought what they did was wrong and obstructed justice with their lying....

rs

1,817 posted on 07/18/2005 10:12:41 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone

I agree with you.

Even if in the U.S. the police couldn't convince a judge to hold the suspects in custody, the police would be watching their every move. In Aruba, the suspects (with the exception of wire taps) seem to be left alone to destroy evidence, dig up and dispose of a body, etc. This smacks of either gross incompetence OR a rigged investigation to clear one of their own.

Wasn't it in Holland that a group of Muslim teenagers were released by police after raping (and perhaps murdering - I forgot) a retarded girl because ... they were afraid of an anti-Muslin backlash? Great thinking. Ranks up there with "Well, we will release several suspects in a murder even though there is something really fishy going on. And we won't watch them after their release!" As Gomer Pyle would say: "Surprise, Surprise!" The evidence is destroyed and the body is vanished.


1,821 posted on 07/18/2005 10:22:52 AM PDT by whitedog57 (Holland)
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To: rolling_stone
Well your pal Mark Fuhrman disagreed yesterday on Geraldo, stating how easy based on their false stories.

Yes, I do respect Mark Fuhrman. I wish I could say he was my pal! Alas, not.

I don't put a lot of stock in Fuhrman's speculations, however, since he was so wrong in the Jessica Lunsford case.

But of course I'll defer to his knowledge of U.S. criminal legal process. If Fuhrman said that "it would have been [easy] for US cops to get a search warrant and seize clothing and evidence from the suspects the first night," then I'll believe him and retract my "doubt" on that point.

Did you know Joran at first denied knowing Natalee until confronted with the fact that he was seen leaving C&C with her?

If you can produce proof of this, then I'll "know" it.

As for you not having a benevolent attitude towards the 3 suspects, you have stated you "don't think they murdered Natalee, nor know of her ultimate fate." I think that is pretty benevolent considering what we know.

Yes, I did state that as my theory. There's a difference between saying "I think" something, and asserting it as absolute fact.

And I don't see how one can reasonably construe that as "benevolent." That was simply my personal, non-professional theorizing of the case up to that point, given the very few facts we've seen so far.

Most other posters on these threads are posting their own personal, non-professional theories, too. Again, if you have a problem with a theory different from your own, I once more suggest to you that you found your own forum where you can brook no dissent.

If and when we begin to see hard evidence that Joran or the Kalpoes might be guilty of some crime, then I of course reserve the right to change my theory!

As far as Beth apologizing, it was to the people of Aruba, not the Kalpoe's and in fact she has recently reiterated she thought what they did was wrong and obstructed justice with their lying....

I said I thought Beth made the correct strategic move in apologizing. Whatever she meant (or didn't mean) with that apology, I think she realized that her earler statement had destroyed a lot of the good will she'd worked so hard to build up in Aruba.

Her "apology" (or whatever you prefer to call it) was a first step in regaining that good will, and possibly getting some cooperation (e.g., tips) that MIGHT HELP HER FIND HER DAUGHTER.

And that's what's important to her, I'm sure.

1,835 posted on 07/18/2005 11:04:18 AM PDT by gingersnaps (Trying to inject a little reason into the debate does not make one an "anti-Holloway TROLL.")
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