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[UK Home Sec'y] Clarke 'shocked bombers British'
BBC NEWS ^ | 13 July, 2005 | BBC

Posted on 07/13/2005 3:44:24 AM PDT by M. Thatcher

Home Secretary Charles Clarke has said he is "shocked" the suspected London suicide bombers were British-born.

Mr Clarke said the attacks were a "clarion call" for everybody in the UK to defend their society rather than assume "we are all OK".

The Muslim community especially must "stand out" against the ideology which promotes bombings, he told BBC News.

He said he would consider all means necessary - including deportation - against those fermenting terrorism.

'No coasting'

Speaking ahead of an emergency EU summit about security measures in Brussels, Mr Clarke said it was "a central hypothesis" that the bombers were part of a wider network.

Mr Clarke said there were organisations who wanted to destroy the fundamental structure of UK democracy.

Those voices that we have we tolerated will no longer be tolerated, Shahid Malik Dewsbury MP

"I think that is the clarion call to us, to us as politicians, as broadcasters, to faith leaders, to lawyers, to everybody, to say we have to fight for this society we have, rather than just coasting along and assuming it's all OK."

Mr Clarke said the right balance was needed between civil liberties and security.

The belief that "home-grown terrorism" was to blame for the bombings means intelligence must be improved, despite the "first class" job done by the police and security services, he said.

Ready for more attacks?

During the EU talks in Brussels, Mr Clarke will push for European agencies to share more intelligence information.

But he argued the anti-terror strategy had to address the fact that ideology, not poverty, was the driving force behind such attacks.

"It's ensuring that the whole of the Muslim community, supported by the whole of the society, stands out against this sort of belief."

Mr Clarke said he was encouraged by the Muslim community's response.

He said he was looking directly at people who "preach hatred", with deportation one option.

The home secretary said the UK had to assume other people were prepared to carry out attacks.

Intelligence had to be at the centre of addressing that problem, he argued.

Muslim 'anguish'

Former Metropolitan Police chief Lord Stevens has suggested that three thousand people, who are now in Britain have trained in al-Qaeda camps.

Mr Clarke said he did not accept that figure but a "large number" of people had attended such camps.

"But only a very few come to this cataclysmic decision that those four individuals did on Thursday," he added.

Tony Blair on Wednesday met a delegation of Muslim MPs to discuss the discovery of the suspected bombers.

The Muslim Council of Britain says it reacted with "anguish, shock and horror" to news that British-born Islamic youths were involved in the attacks.

The council's secretary-general, Sir Iqbal Sacranie, said: "Nothing in Islam can ever justify the evil actions of the bombers."

Shahid Malik, whose Dewsbury constituency was the scene of police raids in the bombing investigation, said the Muslim community faced a "massive wake-up call".

He told BBC News after his meeting with Mr Blair: "The challenge is straightforward - that those voices that we have we tolerated will no longer be tolerated, whether they be on the streets, in the schools, in the youth clubs, in a mosque, in a corner, in a house.

"We need to go beyond condemning - we need to confront."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: finbar; shahidmalik
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1 posted on 07/13/2005 3:44:26 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: M. Thatcher

Deport them to where? Need a club Gitmo East?


2 posted on 07/13/2005 3:51:32 AM PDT by listenhillary (Don Rumsfeld /Karl Rove - Next US supreme court justices - Will Dem heads explode?)
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To: M. Thatcher
"We need to go beyond condemning - we need to confront."

Now there's a nugget.

3 posted on 07/13/2005 3:55:53 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: M. Thatcher
The Muslim community especially must "stand out" against the ideology which promotes bombings, he told BBC News.

Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah....

4 posted on 07/13/2005 3:57:58 AM PDT by Ajnin (I)
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To: coconutt2000

"We need to go beyond condemning - we need to confront."

Confront? and then what? slap them on their hands? sing Kubiya?

Good plan.


5 posted on 07/13/2005 4:00:36 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Ajnin

What should he say?


6 posted on 07/13/2005 4:01:16 AM PDT by cooper72
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To: M. Thatcher
"We need to go beyond condemning - we need to confront."

Round up the usual suspects.

Nothing will be done other than some public handwringing.
7 posted on 07/13/2005 4:03:11 AM PDT by pyx (Rule #1. The LEFT lies. Rule #2. See Rule #1.)
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To: M. Thatcher
Mr Clarke said the attacks were a "clarion call" for everybody in the UK to defend their society rather than assume "we are all OK".
Gee, ya' think they're finally starting to catch on?
8 posted on 07/13/2005 4:06:49 AM PDT by oh8eleven
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To: M. Thatcher

The idea that Islamic extremism is a surprise or is hidden is just an insult to everyone's intelligence. The Londoners have tolerated the most extreme demonstrations and calls for death to Bush, death to Blair, death to America with hundreds of thousands attending massive rallies. They are starting to reap what was sown long ago and what the elites promoted as superior attitudes towards diversity. They are now realizing the fruits of the harvest.


9 posted on 07/13/2005 4:06:51 AM PDT by putupjob
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To: Dudoight

What are you saying? and who are you saying it to?


10 posted on 07/13/2005 4:08:05 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: putupjob
with hundreds of thousands attending massive rallies

What a load of nonsense.

11 posted on 07/13/2005 4:08:48 AM PDT by cooper72
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To: Ajnin
"The council's secretary-general, Sir Iqbal Sacranie, said: "Nothing in Islam can ever justify the evil actions of the bombers."

Except the Koran. It must be hard for these people to keep a straight face while repeating this, (while holding that bag of bomb making material behind their back) How dumb can government be swallowing this B.S.??

12 posted on 07/13/2005 4:09:27 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: cooper72

http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/index/press.php?pr=145

Read the above you idiot.


13 posted on 07/13/2005 4:17:34 AM PDT by putupjob
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To: M. Thatcher

Never heard of Lord Haw Haw or the Cambridge Five?


14 posted on 07/13/2005 4:21:09 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: putupjob

And you believe them? Of course they are totally objective eh? :D

If you looked at the bottom of the page you would see:

"The figures of the demonstrators were based on body count by The Muslim News." HAHA!


15 posted on 07/13/2005 4:22:14 AM PDT by cooper72
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The Muslim Council of Britain says it reacted with "anguish, shock and horror" to news that British-born Islamic youths were involved in the attacks.

Yeah, it's pretty unimaginable that Muslims could be involved in terrorism.

16 posted on 07/13/2005 4:23:11 AM PDT by Sloth (History's greatest monsters: Hitler, Stalin, Mao & Durbin)
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To: M. Thatcher
The Muslim community especially must "stand out" against the ideology which promotes bombings, he told BBC News.

Don't hold your breath, Mr. Clark.

Shock the monkey.

17 posted on 07/13/2005 4:23:54 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: cooper72
What should he say?

Nothing. The time for talk is over. I think 30 years of appealing to the muslims to clean out their own back yard without results is enough.

18 posted on 07/13/2005 4:24:01 AM PDT by Ajnin (I)
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To: M. Thatcher
Mr Clarke said there were organisations who wanted to destroy the fundamental structure of UK democracy.

Good morning, Mr. Rip Van Winkle.

19 posted on 07/13/2005 4:27:19 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Ajnin

Should he not say, "Islam is peace"?


20 posted on 07/13/2005 4:29:00 AM PDT by cooper72
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