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Religious Hate Law Aimed At Protecting Muslims Passes UK Vote
CNSNews ^ | July 12, 2005 | Patrick Goodenough

Posted on 07/12/2005 12:05:47 PM PDT by kddid

In a victory for British Muslim campaigners, the House of Commons Monday passed a bill aimed at curbing religious hatred, despite critics' warnings that it could worsen relations between religious communities.

The Racial and Religious Hatred Bill passed its third reading by a 301-229 vote, just hours after Prime Minister Tony Blair's press secretary declined to rule out using the measure, if it becomes law, against Muslim figures who may incite violence against Christians and Jews.

Spokesman Tom Kelly told a Downing Street press conference he would not get into hypothetical speculation about individuals, but the law would be there and it would be applied correctly.

Last Thursday's terrorist bombings in London have focused renewed attention on controversial Muslim figures based in the capital who have long advocated jihad against the West.

Islamic organizations have lobbied hardest for the legislation, saying their community needed protection, given an increase in anti-Muslim sentiment after 9/11.

They argued that while Jews and Sikhs were already protected by race-hate laws -- because they are seen as ethnic groups as well as religious ones -- Muslims were not covered in this way, hence the need for a specific religious hatred law.

Two previous attempts by the Labor government to get the law passed since 2002 failed, the first running into strong opposition in the upper House of Lords, and the second running out of time earlier this year when parliament was dissolved ahead of elections.

After Monday's Commons vote, the bill now goes to the House of Lords where it is again expected to face tough objections.

If passed, the legislation will create a new offense, applying to written material and public verbal comments "that are threatening, abusive or insulting [and] likely to stir up racial or religious hatred." Anyone convicted under the law could be jailed for up to seven years.

Opposition parties -- and some Labor MPs -- oppose the bill for various reasons, including concerns that it could stifle free speech or infringe the right of the adherents of one faith to question the claims of another.

Opposition lawmakers proposed an amendment that would outlaw religious hatred in specific cases where it is used as a pretext for stirring up hatred against an ethnic group. But the proposal was defeated Monday by 291 votes to 233.

Senior Conservative lawmaker Dominic Grieve said in the Commons that the bill was "catastrophically flawed" and would not improve race relations.

"If the government really wants to tackle this issue, it is going to have to get away from the promises made to various people of some equal playing field, accept that religion and race are different, start to look at the real nature of the problem and try to come up with some constructive solutions," he said.

What about the Koran?

In an earlier Commons debate, a Conservative MP raised the possibility that the law, if passed, could outlaw the reading of passages of the Koran that called for harsh treatment against Christians and Jews.

Following those assertions, a delegation of prominent Muslims held talks last week with the government minister responsible for the bill, Paul Goggins, to check whether the legislation could affect reading and quoting from the Koran and other Islamic texts such as the Hadith -- the traditional sayings of Mohammed and other early Muslim figures.

There were concerns in the Muslim community "that dawah [proselytizing] and propagatory practices may be curtailed under the new legislation," the Muslim Weekly reported.

The delegation suggested that it may be preferable to "totally exempt" Islamic texts from the bill.

"The minister assured the Muslim community that there was nothing in the bill that would prevent scholars from delivering their sermons or from reciting from the Koran," the Muslim publication said.

Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) Secretary-General Iqbal Sacranie, who headed the delegation, said afterwards he was glad the confusion had been cleared.

"Muslim scholars may proceed uninhibited in the performance of their duties," he said.

The MCB has led the lobbying to get the law passed.

The Barnabas Fund, a British charity working among Christian minorities in Islamic countries, has played a key role in Christian opposition to the bill.

Commenting on the Muslim Council's attempt to get the Koran exempted from the law, the Barnabas Fund said Muslim leaders in Britain had done their best to have themselves protected by the proposed law.

"Now faced with the anti-Christian and anti-Semitic parts of their holy books it appears some are realizing that unless they claim exemption they also will be vulnerable to prosecution," it said.

"This shows the desperate need for Islam to reform itself. Muslim leaders must have the courage to reform their faith and reinterpret the war passages of the Koran and Hadith in a spiritual and peaceable way."

The Barnabas Fund said the bill could cause disharmony among different faiths in Britain.

"It also has the potential to silence those who speak out on behalf of millions of people who suffer as a result of particular religious teachings, such as Muslims who convert to another faith (who should be executed according to Islamic law) or Dalits (treated as 'untouchables' in the traditional Hindu caste system)."

Other opponents of the bill include lawyers, civil libertarians, and actors such as comedian Rowan Atkinson who worry it would outlaw religious jokes.

On Monday leaders of evangelical African and Caribbean churches in Britain rallied against the bill, saying it could affect their ability to share the Christian gospel with non-Christians.

A petition signed by hundreds of British churches and handed to the government Monday warned about the effects on freedom of speech, saying that "the mere quoting of texts from both the Koran and the Bible could be captured and criminalized by this law."

Also lobbying in parliament was Australian evangelical pastor Danny Nalliah, who together with a colleague has been found guilty of vilifying Islam under a similar law in the Australian state of Victoria. The two pastors face the possibility of going to prison if they defy -- as they intend to do -- a judge's order to apologize publicly.

Some critics have accused the British government of pushing the bill as a sop to Muslims who traditionally support Labor but were angered by the government's policies on Iraq.

"In essence Labor aims to reward the MCB with a piece of legislation in return for the Muslim vote during the election," says Sunny Hundal, editor of Asians in Media, a media industry magazine.

In an article published last week, Hundal criticized the bill, saying that while "Islamophobia is a serious issue that needs to be dealt with" the legislation would likely affect voices within the Asian community that go against "politically correct stances."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: appeasement; dhimmitude; euronoia; ukmuslims
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This is incredible. What was that old saying about giving someone enough rope?
1 posted on 07/12/2005 12:05:48 PM PDT by kddid
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To: kddid

Just incredible.


2 posted on 07/12/2005 12:06:43 PM PDT by Uncledave
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To: kddid

How about using this new law against muslims who preach about killing infidels?


3 posted on 07/12/2005 12:07:11 PM PDT by Mr. K
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To: kddid

Blair's wife is an attorney who has represented Muslim causes in the past. Don't know about this case.


4 posted on 07/12/2005 12:10:02 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: kddid

If the islamderthals continue their little rampage across the world, all the feel good laws in the world won't save them.


5 posted on 07/12/2005 12:10:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I zot trolls for fun and profit.)
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To: kddid

How many MPs like Galloway have been paid off?


6 posted on 07/12/2005 12:10:49 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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"Opposition parties -- and some Labor MPs -- oppose the bill for various reasons, including concerns that it could stifle free speech or infringe the right of the adherents of one faith to question the claims of another."

Well, duh, and it's too bad that 301 MP's couldn't understand this simple fact.
7 posted on 07/12/2005 12:12:54 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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"Hundal criticized the bill, saying that while "Islamophobia is a serious issue that needs to be dealt with" the legislation would likely affect voices within the Asian community that go against "politically correct stances."

I would like to inform Mr. Hundel that whereas Islamophobia might constitute a minor problem, Infidelophobia is a much worse problem, and recently caused the deaths of several dozen Brits and injured hundreds more.
8 posted on 07/12/2005 12:15:47 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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That's right kids when foreign terrorists wage war on the Brits bend over and take it like a muslim woman.


9 posted on 07/12/2005 12:16:13 PM PDT by kharaku (G3 (http://www.cobolsoundsystem.com/mp3s/unreleased/evewasanape.mp3))
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To: kddid

Thought Police at work.


10 posted on 07/12/2005 12:18:40 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Scratch a Liberal. Uncover a Fascist)
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To: kddid

Hey... Don't they have it backwards? Or am I just dislexic?


11 posted on 07/12/2005 12:19:09 PM PDT by Brilliant
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Incredible!!! How about FIRST protecting Christians and all other religions!!

Disgusting!

12 posted on 07/12/2005 12:20:07 PM PDT by meema
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Sure enough, the law isn't going to prohibit citing the Koran. On the other hand, properly implemented, the UK has just decided to ban the Koran.

After all, the death threats as well as the instructions to kill certain people are on the printed page.

13 posted on 07/12/2005 12:21:44 PM PDT by muawiyah (/sarcasm and invective)
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To: kddid

Already, political correctness has triumphed over "defiance".


14 posted on 07/12/2005 12:22:46 PM PDT by thoughtomator (For all you love to survive, Islam must be destroyed.)
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To: kddid

The Brits are looking like Frenchmen. They should have required the Muslims to first get a similar law passed in Saudi Arabia to protect Christians.


15 posted on 07/12/2005 12:23:09 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: kddid

Charles Martel, (the hammer) the Brits aren't. And their kissy face politicial correctness is going to end up being the death of them. Us too in this country.


16 posted on 07/12/2005 12:23:21 PM PDT by swampfox98 (How America became a nation of traitors: Greed, corrupt politicians and religious leaders.)
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To: aimhigh

AMEN!


17 posted on 07/12/2005 12:24:30 PM PDT by meema
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To: kharaku

How many bombs do they need before they learn about Islam?


18 posted on 07/12/2005 12:24:48 PM PDT by winner3000 (part)
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To: kddid

You've GOT to be kidding. They are just begging for a repeat. What is it gonna take for people to wake up and see Islam for what it is.


19 posted on 07/12/2005 12:25:23 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: kddid
Good grief! This is a disaster unless it is turned around and used against mosques and individual Muslims who rant about jihad and advocate terrorism,suicide bombing and advocating the destruction of the British government.
20 posted on 07/12/2005 12:26:11 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops...)
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