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No Surrender (The British government is in denial about the dangers of Islam)
Daily Mail ^ | July 11, 2005 | Melanie Phillips

Posted on 07/11/2005 4:59:14 AM PDT by ToveL

Sixty years on, Britain has commemorated the end of World War Two and the sacrifices made to achieve victory over fascism. The ceremonials took place yesterday in the long shadow of last Thursday’s atrocities in London — the terrible manifestation of a very different kind of threat.

We now face an enemy which has no country, no uniform and no visible shape but is instead a loose and shifting affiliation of groups across the world, bound only by their unifying cause.

The problem is that, unlike sixty years ago, our leaders shy away from giving this menace its proper name. They call it ‘terrorism’. But in fact it is nothing less than a world war being waged in the name of religion — with terror its weapon of attack — whose aim is to emasculate the power and reach of western culture and replace it by the hegemony of Islam.

The foot-soldiers of this religious army have camouflaged themselves among the citizens of the world. The result in Britain, according to leaked government documents, is that up to an estimated 16,000 British Muslims are said to be sympathetic to terrorism and and, according to fomer Metropolitan Police Commissioner Lord Stevens, up to 3000 British born or British based people have passed through al Qaeda training camps over the years.

Of course, the vast majority of Muslims are undoubtedly decent, law-abiding, peaceful citizens. But since only one bomber needs to get lucky in order to cause death and destruction, these statistics are clearly absolutely horrifying.

In the face of this threat, however, our Prime Minister is muddled. He said last weekend that the root causes of terrorism were the perversion of Islam and extremism, fanaticism and acute forms of poverty in one continent which could spread their poison throughout the world.

He was right about the extremism and fanaticism, but wrong about the rest. Poverty is not the issue. Many Islamic terrorists are wealthy; most poor peoples do not resort to terror. The root cause of this threat is a religion whose dominant traditions have, over the past twelve centuries, preached or practised at various times of intensity holy war against the infidel.

Most British Muslims are appalled by these attacks. Indeed, they themselves are at equal risk of becoming victims of such indiscriminate terror. And many of them clearly wish to reconcile the undoubtedly peaceful elements of their faith with the tenets of western society.

But at same time they and others — from the Prime Minister downwards — are in denial when they say that because Islam is a religion of peace, by implication those who commit such acts are not true Muslims. On the contrary, this war against the west is not only being fought in the name of Islam but its aims, if not all its tactics, have been condoned by countless Islamic states and religious authorities and supported by millions of Muslims across the world.

Our leaders are too frightened to say this for fear of upsetting the Muslim community. So on the basis of a deeply flawed analysis, the government has produced a hopelessly misguided strategy.

This is to give British Muslims widespread concessions in the hope that this will dampen down the rage of the most extreme. According to the Home Office Permanent Secretary Sir John Gieve, the roots of Muslim extremism in Britain lie in ‘discrimination, disadvantage and exclusion.’ The remedy, therefore, is to reduce discrimination and promote integration. Hence, for example, ministers’ support for the law against incitement to religious hatred, or the introduction of sharia-compliant mortgages and suggestions by the Inland Revenue that polygamy should be recognised for the purposes of inheritance tax.

But Muslim extremism is not caused by lack of integration; the lack of integration is caused by the fact that Muslims are being inflamed against the west by radical preachers. A small minority of young Muslims are vulnerable to this process because, adrift between the profoundly opposing cultures of Islam and the western free-for-all, they are easy prey for the ostensibly righteous and idealistic message that they must fight the decadence and corruption of the west.

Some people think that the war in Iraq, where al Qaeda has regrouped after it was smashed in Afghanistan, has greatly inflamed Islamic terrorism and resulted in its export to Britain.

The first and most obvious answer to this is that 9/11 preceded the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq; indeed, America had been attacked by al Qaeda for a decade even before the Twin Towers were hit.

Iraq is indeed central, but for a different reason. Al Qaeda desperately wants the coalition troops to withdraw from Iraq, where the stakes for terror across the Middle East are so enormous, and has decided that the best way to achieve this is to put pressure on the public. Hence the bombings of Madrid and now London, whose aim was to destroy the alliance with America.

Those arguing that the Iraq war has put the coalition countries in danger are therefore doing the bombers’ dirty propaganda work for them. The Spanish fell for it. But even though they withdrew their troops, this did not stop al Qaeda from subsequently trying twice more to bomb the Spanish people — thus proving that for al Qaeda, the Iraq war is merely a side issue.

This is demonstrated time and again by its terror attacks across the world from Indonesia to the Caucasus, including in countries which were opposed to the Iraq war — while in Britain, as in Germany and elsewhere, planned attacks were being tracked and foiled even before 9/11.

Nevertheless, despite this evidence of unprovoked attacks on country after country, radical imams teach that the very existence of western influence is an act of aggression. Any action against the west is therefore said to be a legitimate defence of religious principles — and so any actual defence by the west against Islamic terror is presented instead as a further act of war to be avenged.

This lethal double-think means that the defence against terror has indeed inadvertently acted as a recruiting sergeant for that terror. But this is the terrible dilemma that terrorism poses. If its victims try to defend themselves by taking action against the terrorists (and Saddam was a godfather of terror) this feeds their warped victimology and recruits more to their cause. But to take the path of least resistance instead of fighting back is to signal a defeatism which spurs the terrorists on to their perceived and inevitable victory.

In other words, the choice is this: we take actions which may increase the immediate problem or, in the long term, we suffer total defeat.

Given such a choice, the only morally viable position is to fight terror with all the means at our disposal. There is no doubt that chronic American mistakes in failing adequately to respond to the nature and scale of the battle in Iraq have exacerbated the problem of Muslims flocking to the cause.

But to say that the fight against religious fascism should not be fought because it turns those who are fighting it into a target is a bit like complaining that the only reason London endured the Blitz was because Britain had declared war on Germany.

Now as then, appeasing aggression means cultural suicide. We are in for the long haul -- but we must no longer flinch from the truth, and from the means we must use to defeat the horror that we all face.


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Let Me Count the Ways by Professor Norman Geras

The enemies of humanity struck in London today. The enemies of democracy. (Incidentally, on BBC news reports I've heard, those responsible for today's bombings are being referred to as 'terrorists' - not 'militants' or anything else more dignifying, but 'terrorists'. Why the change of policy?) Before I heard the awful news this morning I had a couple of items from the newspaper (and which I'll get to) marked down for comment. Then the news broke.

Across the globe, the enemies of democracy have shown themselves ready to commit any crime, to use any means, violating every human norm, every civilized code of warfare, one way and another killing people at random: the innocent, the old, the young, people of any class, any faith, any colour, with only the common feature of being in the wrong place when the appointed time comes, and of being human beings - with their lives, with their hopes, with the people they love and who will grieve for them. The murderers strike regardless. Count the ways...

1. They attack Red Cross personnel.

2. They murder people working for the UN.

3. They kidnap and kill care workers.

4. They bomb holiday-makers, in nightclubs.

5. They blow up people travelling on trains - civilians.

6. They target people on buses - civilians.

7. They take civilian hostages.

8. They decapitate them.

9. They murder trade unionists.

10. They kidnap diplomats.

11. They kill people for being... barbers.

12. They fly aircraft full of civilians into skyscrapers where people are at work.

13. They take schoolchildren hostage and murder them.

14. They bomb synagogues.

15. They kill people shopping in a market.

16. They kill people queuing at a medical clinic.

17. They murder children in Baghdad.

18. They murder people on their way to work in London.

(And what have I forgotten?)

They are the enemies of democracy and the enemies of all humankind. They must be fought till they have been defeated.

http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/2005/07/let_me_count_th.html

1 posted on 07/11/2005 4:59:14 AM PDT by ToveL
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To: ToveL

With regard to the above Norman Geras post, it is well worth going to his website and checking out the stories he links to in this excellent piece.


2 posted on 07/11/2005 5:01:26 AM PDT by ToveL
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To: ToveL
You are correct. He is spot on. Could you me and the rest of us FReepers the URL to his website. Thank you.
3 posted on 07/11/2005 5:14:21 AM PDT by Chgogal (Egyptian Jihadist, "Psssst....we're running out of virgins. Spread the word.")
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To: ToveL
"Those arguing that the Iraq war has put the coalition countries in danger are therefore doing the bombers’ dirty propaganda work for them. The Spanish fell for it. But even though they withdrew their troops, this did not stop al Qaeda from subsequently trying twice more to bomb the Spanish people — thus proving that for al Qaeda, the Iraq war is merely a side issue."

Worth repeating.
4 posted on 07/11/2005 5:14:25 AM PDT by IAMNO1
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To: ToveL

"We now face an enemy which has no country..."

Sure they do. It's Britain.


5 posted on 07/11/2005 5:16:51 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: ToveL

Sounds like equal opportunity evil.


6 posted on 07/11/2005 5:17:08 AM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: ToveL

If Prince Harry goes to a party dressed as Osama, it will be a bad sign.


7 posted on 07/11/2005 5:22:03 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Sarcasm/Some here don't get it unless you spell it out)
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To: Chgogal
"Could you me and the rest of us FReepers the URL to his website." Hej Chgogal! I've already linked directly to the article. Here's the general link for his website: http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/
8 posted on 07/11/2005 5:33:58 AM PDT by ToveL
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To: ToveL

this column was so good it deserves a PING for GWOT common sense.


9 posted on 07/11/2005 5:34:33 AM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: ToveL
Thank you. I need to bookmark it. :)
10 posted on 07/11/2005 5:40:02 AM PDT by Chgogal (Egyptian Jihadist, "Psssst....we're running out of virgins. Spread the word.")
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To: ToveL
I think it is beginning to sink in around some quarters that the real problem is Islam, not intolerance to Islam.

One would think after 14 centuries of mayhem and murder the world would have a clear view of what this ghastly religion advocates and does.

But the fantasies of the Left seem to be simply too overwhelming for those who cling to them to recognize this cult of oppression, murder and death for what it really is. Muslims are trapped in a system of the Devil's own making and few Muslims seem capable of either protesting about it or getting out of it. It is an immensely powerful system of delusion and bondage.

11 posted on 07/11/2005 5:41:23 AM PDT by Gritty ("It is jihadists, not moderates, presenting detailed Islamic theological arguments" - Robert Spencer)
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The Brits will figure it out in time, as will the Dutch and Germans. Anyone wanna bet what happens to France? Yet another surrender. Will Germany invade them again? They better hope so.


12 posted on 07/11/2005 7:24:56 AM PDT by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country.)
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To: ToveL
Now as then, appeasing aggression means cultural suicide.

But it's so much easier in the short-run, don't you know. Give in to sharia now, then just do the 3-monkeys thing so you can feign ignorance and indignation when the inevitable happens.

13 posted on 07/11/2005 7:30:37 AM PDT by shezza (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: Gritty

But the fantasies of the Left seem to be simply too overwhelming

The left hate their own countries so badly, they'll even make a mental alliance with this lot of crazies. But that in it's own way shows how stupid the left is, as they with their extreme permisivness, would be top of the list for death, if the crazies ever took power.

We are fighting on two fronts, the left and the Islamo nutters.


14 posted on 07/11/2005 7:33:05 AM PDT by crazycat
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To: Gritty
The problem is that, unlike sixty years ago, our leaders shy away from giving this menace its proper name. They call it ‘terrorism’. But in fact it is nothing less than a world war being waged in the name of religion — with terror its weapon of attack — whose aim is to emasculate the power and reach of western culture and replace it by the hegemony of Islam.

Worth keeping front and center.

Your comments were also right on. I would like to add my two cents to them

But the fantasies of the Left seem to be simply too overwhelming for those who cling to them to recognize this cult of oppression, murder and death for what it really is.

The useful idiots are just that, idiots. The true left, a small minority, know exactly what they are doing. They seek total power. The conservative Christians and Republicans stand in their way. They embrace, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" and America as it now exists is their enemy and the terrorists are their friends.

Muslims are trapped in a system of the Devil's own making and few Muslims seem capable of either protesting about it or getting out of it. It is an immensely powerful system of delusion and bondage.

Well said. This is true of all totalitarian systems. Look at the left's friends:

Although they are the minority, the Asses (Democrats) attempt to control through threats and intimidation in Congress . Of all the Democrats, an even smaller minority control.

The unions work they same way, through threats and intimidation. A small group of leaders employ a cadre of thugs as enforcers and control much of Congress and much of our economy. Their members are just tools to power.

The terrorists employ threats and intimidation to the ultimate but it is still only a small group who prevail and call the shots. Most Muslims are just canon fodder.

The mafia of the past and the drug dealers of today are of the same stripe. They all have one thing in common. They are controlled by a small group who use threats and intimidation to control the rest and to exert total power. Only the leaders win, not the populace.

If the Islamists win who gains? The Imams and their enforcers. The rest are slaves. Hillary is not going to like that but her lust for power blinds her and hers to that fact.

15 posted on 07/11/2005 8:02:36 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: conservativewasp
Anyone wanna bet what happens to France?

Considering how "immoral" the French are, I bet they get targeted for something like school dress-codes that prevent Muslim girls from wearing headscarves. Then we'll see them change their toon...or surrender, whichever.
16 posted on 07/11/2005 8:28:04 AM PDT by BJClinton (The bubble of housing bubble threads is about to pop!)
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To: ToveL

It's ALL Bush's fault


17 posted on 07/11/2005 8:49:38 AM PDT by Surtur (Wal-mart...walnuts, Oprah...Uma, coincidence, I think not.)
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To: ToveL
Article:
The problem is that, unlike sixty years ago, our leaders shy away from giving this menace its proper name.

      Actually, today's Brittish leaders remind me of another PM orf the past, Neville Chamberlain.  What the world needs is another Winston Churchill.
18 posted on 07/11/2005 10:02:00 AM PDT by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: ToveL
Given such a choice, the only morally viable position is to fight terror with all the means at our disposal.

I wish he would have provided some suggestions on the "means."
19 posted on 07/11/2005 10:07:15 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: ToveL
"...But at same time they and others — from the Prime Minister downwards — are in denial when they say that because Islam is a religion of peace, by implication those who commit such acts are not true Muslims. On the contrary, this war against the west is not only being fought in the name of Islam but its aims, if not all its tactics, have been condoned by countless Islamic states and religious authorities and supported by millions of Muslims across the world. Our leaders are too frightened to say this for fear of upsetting the Muslim community..."

Ain't that the truth!

20 posted on 07/11/2005 10:09:34 AM PDT by NoClones
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