Posted on 07/10/2005 12:12:27 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative
Rove's biggest sin is that he's made a career of beating your party's brains in.
Once this "Spy Who Came In For the Vanity Fair Glamour Shot" nonsense blows over, he'll resume doing just that. And your party's operatives will continue to be reduced to misrepresenting themselves on political message boards and other worthwhile, highly effective (cough, cough) endeavors.
"Rove's biggest sin, as far as his enemies are concerned, is that he got George W. Bush elected twice. That's it. That's why they're out to get him. Anyone who doesn't see that, as far as I'm concerned, is blind as a bat."
Right. Republicans don't sin, are never unethical and are only innocent victims of bad people. Not even CAPABLE of being unethical! God must have made them sinless and ancient democrats secretly removed that chapter from the bible. Anyone who believes THAT is blind as a bat, or too partisan to think straight.
Yeah, it's a "vast left wing conspiracy" spanning decades. No motive for Rove, huh? Must have been someone in the democrat camp, who didn't appreciate the CIA agent's husband questioning the BOGUS nukes from Africa story.
The jury is still out.
I don't like being lied to or manipulated, by anyone.
"Otherwise, spare me the Victim McCain for President committee's talking points."
If you go through my posts, you'll see I do not like McCain.
Not everyone is a democrat or republican robot. Some of us can think for ourselves.
"Are you on the same page in regards to the "dirty trick" Rove pulled in NY by calling "liberals" to the floor followed by Dems exscoriating Rove for his comments while at the same time not realizing they were actually admitting that they - Dems - were libs. Please."
I am referring to serious dirty tricks over a few decades. And saying democrats, half the people his President represents, wish to see troops get killed is a low blow. My brother is a democrat, and a "troop" and he doesn't want to see his comrades killed.
"If you want intellectually-dishonest-emotionally-bankrupt political maneuvers then Dems are your cup of tea."
I am an independent, and neither partisan robot party appeals to me.
Right. That remotely resembles anything I said.
I'll be around if you ever come up with that evidence that Rove was behind the McCain push polls.
We will see, won't we? I am challenging the knee jerk "Karl is a victim" assumption here. If he is guilty, he needs to do hard time.
Don't even tell me that 1000 people here wouldn't jump on any democrat accused of the same thing.
Euphemism for liberal democrat. Not a particularly original one, at that.
"Well you failed, considering there was nothing in any of my posts that even suggested i was giddy, moronic, leftist or moonbat. I was merely asking questions about the process, the article and replying to another poster about Fitzgerald's background. I am definitely not leftist as I am an independent, and my questions were definitely legitimate."
That's right, and welcome, fellow independent. Stand your ground here. Expect attacks from people who go ballistic when you disagree or ask legitimate questions. I've endured it for quite some time. There are many reasonable people here, but they often send supportive private mail
instead of incurring the wrath of partisans.
Partisanship is a disease. They cannot apply the same standards to all. If a dem was cornered the way Rove was, they be a pack of pitt bulls. You know it and I know it, so do the posters who respond to your questions with personal attacks. You've questioned their ideology, their sacred cow (the "party") and that's enough to be branded a liberal.
"I do not believe in partisan politics. I believe in right versus wrong and justice prevailing. I believed so in 1997 during the clinton perjury thing, and I believe it now. Justice knows no politics. You have to respect that."
I respect that, but republicans are like democrats, they want to WIN know matter what the cost, even the soul of their party. They believe in morality when other people aren't practicing it, but that all goes out the window when one of their idols get caught with his pants down.
" support our troops, I support the war on terrorism, and I support a country that uses the Constitution as its foundation. I DO NOT support lying, cheating or criminal acts, and if that's what this is, I want justice to be swift and sure. I don't care who it is, I just want (as President Bush does) the leaker to be found, tried and punished to the fullest extent of the law."
Right, like Bush really wants Rove caught if he's guilty.
It doesn't matter if you support 99% of neo-con platform. They will attack you mercilessly for disagreeing on the 1%.
Don't try to use reason with a partisan. It won't work. Fanatics can't understand reason, and they are often more hostile to independents than they are democrats because they assume we would vote for them if the independents didn't exist.
WRONG.
"No, Rove's biggest sin is that he got fired from George H.W. Bush's campagin for doing something very similar to what the special prosecuter is right now investigating."
Doesn't matter to partisans Cameron. It must have been a conspiracy, and irrational conspiracy, to avenge getting (shadily) republicans elected. The only sin a republican can comitt here is being a swing voter or voting to bring the tropps home. Doesn't matter if he's corrupt, dirty, in the pocket of big oil, a cheat, a drunk or a drug addict. Doesn't matter. They defend their own, regardless of character. The party doesn't have a conscience anymore. It's about winning and controlling other people's lives.
Please elaborate on why Rive was fired by Bushie Seniora.
That was the best imitation of a DU screed I've seen all day.
2. Why is the NY Times journalistrix who is in the hoosegow and the NY Times that will be doing the front page story on Mr. Rove?
3. Why are Newsweek, NY Times and Washington Post sounding off against Mr. Rove while Time, employer of Matt Cooper, is suspiciously silent on Mr. Rove?
Conspiracy or walking like a duck and talking like a duck?
"Once this "Spy Who Came In For the Vanity Fair Glamour Shot" nonsense blows over, he'll resume doing just that. And your party's operatives will continue to be reduced to misrepresenting themselves on political message boards and other worthwhile, highly effective (cough, cough) endeavors."
Congratulations! You said something the mob agrees with and repeats daily! How independent minded you are!
Why, when one disagrees with, or questions the "Party line" you are following, he must be called a democrat? Are you that blindly partisan to this point where all Americans support either tweedle dee or tweedle dum? There's only black and white, good and evil, like in fairy tales? If one disagreees with your solutions, they must be "for the other side?" Come on!
There are a few other parties out there, and FYI free thinkers still exist in America. We all get along when democrats are in office, but when independents apply the same standards to republicans, it's war of the words.
Case closed! Go back to the underground.
and while we're at it...
You keep finding new and inarticulate ways of saying the same thing, over and over and over. If can narrow it down to one or two coherent questions, you might get an answer.
BTW, how's the evidence on the Rove/McCain push poll accusation you made coming along?
I don't even know what to say to this...
The ensuing fuss is because the world wasn't supposed to find out that Joe's wife got him a mint-julip junket to Niger.
The Democrats used a political hack to discredit British intelligence findings, it didn't work against Bush, Rove got him re-elected in spite of their best efforts and they're throwing a hissy fit. Does that about sum it up?
Yep! That about does it.
It's called politics. Wilson went to Niger with the intention of discrediting the yellowcake report. His wife knew his reasons for wanting to go. So, she pulled some strings and got him the gig. And Joe went. He met a couple of dudes, had some tea and a few drinks, found nothing (exactly what he was looking for), came back and started calling Bush a liar to anyone who would listen. Then they both subsequently lied about who got Joe the Niger assignment (as last summer's Senate Intelligence Committe report clearly shows).
If Plame wanted to be treated like a CIA Agent, maybe she should have thought about that before using her position in the agency to set-up a campaign season political attack on behalf of John Kerry (who her husband donated generously to).
Sorry, but no matter how much you want it to be, the CIA isn't an arm of the DNC.
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