[YOUGOTIT]

If you have not seen the news then you have not seen these things. They cannot give charity to anyone who is not Islamic and for that matter if they are true to the Qu'ran then they should make every effort to isolate themselves from all infidels.

[rhombus]

Sorry, I didn't understand your initial post and that the "they" you referred to was Islamic fundamentalism. I feared you were another liberal lurker accusing the West of attrocities and then advocating "do-nothingism" approach. I also don't think we are losing but I think it will have to get a lot worse before it gets better.