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To: RebelTex
This is George Washington's opinion on religious liberty in America as written to the Jewish congregation of Newport. Read it and compare it to your idea of religious liberty where Islam is outlawed.



"The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy-a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship.

It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support."
60 posted on 07/07/2005 10:19:20 PM PDT by Mylo ("Those without a sword should sell their cloak and buy one" Jesus of Nazareth)
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To: Mylo
Re: # 60,61,62

You fail to grasp the meaning of my post.  I do not advocate outlawing religion - only destructive cults, and more specifically, the destructive doctrines of cults.  Where Islam advocates the death of non-members (non-believers), the destruction of society, the conquering and dismantling of established governments, then it ceases to be a legitimate religion and becomes a dangerous cult.

In order for Islam to become a legitimate and acceptable religion, then those destructive tenets must be removed from their practices, teachings, and koran.  How likely is that?

Your 1st quote in post # 60 from George Washington proves my point and I show it here with emphasis added so you may consider your own reasoning:

"The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy-a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship.

It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support."

Your 2nd quote (of Madison) in post # 61 is non sequitur.   I never advocated establishing one religion in exclusion of all others.

As for your 3rd quote (of Jefferson) in post # 62, it too proves my point (which you have failed to address).  The following excerpts are the relevant portions with emphasis added:

"...our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry"--Thomas Jefferson, _Statute_for_Religious_Freedom_, 1779, _The_Papers_of_Thomas_Jefferson_, edited by Julron P. Boyd, 1950,

"I consider the government of the United States as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises."--Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Samuel Miller, 1808

(Note: By not including the States or local governments in this statement, it shows clear intent that this action was reserved to the States and their citizenry.)

"(When) the (Virginia) bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason & right.

(Comment: Where is the reason and light of mass slaughter of innocents, ritual beheadings, and forced conversion to Islam.)

Where is 'the latitude of reason and light' in your comment (shown next): 

"Here is Thomas Jefferson. Read and compare his vision of religious freedom to your vision of religious tyranny."

I do not engage in religious tyranny.  Your comments and posts do not reflect reason and common sense, nor do they contain any examples of what you term as my 'religious tyranny'.   Your arguments are weak

I respect your desire to protect religious freedom of the 1st amendment (a desire which I also share), but you ignore the realities of destructive cults and common sense.   A religion which advocates (but does not practice) destructive and evil acts might be tolerated in a civilized society, but one which engages in those same acts can not be permitted to continue unabated.

And finally, being tolerant of a religion is not the same as being a willing lamb led to the slaughter.  I recommend not  becoming a sacrificial lamb.

 

66 posted on 07/08/2005 6:40:27 AM PDT by RebelTex (Freedom is everyone's right - and everyone's responsibility!)
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