[armydoc]

That's like asking "Is there still death?" in response to Jesus' words on eternal life.

So we are allowed to "spiritualize" some of Jesus' words, but not others? Yes, I know, the RCC provides you the "correct" interpretation. That's fine; I just don't see why Catholics spend the time to debate. All you have to do is say "the Church tells me so, so I believe it".

[kharaku]

It tends to make more sense to heed the beleifs, unchanged, of the church for 2000+ years than it does to beleive something you made up.