Posted on 07/06/2005 5:07:49 PM PDT by shrinkermd
Few new products are economical. Gasoline was in the same boat at one time.
Well, there goes that alternative.
"Federal money isn't the answer, but research will eventually find a more economical and cheap fuel for everyone."
Exactly.
MMM...
I remember almost the exact same study from Cornell at least a year ago. Is this a *recycled* story?
yeah....
my guess is that it will be some sort of Hydrogen engine or something like that...
but I am not a scientist so I couldnt tell ya...
I rest my case.
There is a lot of faith, belief, and distraction in this topic. Energy economy is not the point. This isn't supposed to be more efficient or efficient. This is a way to run our vehicles when the oil is in a state of scarcity. Just saying this isn't efficient won't make the real problem go away.
The company that supplies my propane for heating has a bio diesel pump at thier station. They're running some of their delivery trucks on it. Also they're close to Ann Arbor so thier customer base is growing pretty quickly.
>>>I rest my case.
On a bad study, likely using old data.
Take a moment to educate yourself on the current state of Ethanol production: http://www.nwicc.cc.ia.us/pages/continuing/business/ethanolcurriculum.html
Recycled story.
From 2003 *and* 2001!
http://www.igreens.org.uk/ethanol_from_corn_.htm
I hope you're right. I'd think biodiesel would make a good alternative for farm equipment, trucks, etc. Availability is always a factor. But if we're burning fossil fuels in a greater quantity to make the stuff than we are by just burning them in the autos, we're defeating the purpose. I'm sure we'll be seeing more on this.
>>>But if we're burning fossil fuels in a greater quantity to make the stuff than we are by just burning them in the autos, we're defeating the purpose.
That is not the case. The studies often cited by the anti-ethanol crowd are flawed, because they attribute the total energy expended in the production of ethanol to just the ethanol, while ignoring the other co-propducts of the process.
There is a fundamental problem with using Ethanol, in my mind, as an alternative fuel source. The first and foremost problem is the fact that it must be grown. That means that farmland must be reserved for it's usage to be grown and therefore must be rigorously protected against pestilence or deliberate biological sabotage. If you tie any portion of your energy source, in the form of Ethanol, in terms of market share to our economy and something happens to that source then you will have a serious problem on your hands that will rival any oil shortage.
Also, there is the matter of cultivating, harvesting, processing, manufacturing, packaging, delivery, and distribution of such a source as a factor of seriously high cost. Every step of the way, an added cost will be tacked onto Ethanol that may, in the end make it cost prohibitive, short of a federal mandate for it's use. The reason that oil, even in it's current state is still relatively cheap at $60 a barrel is because it can be processed into multiple uses besides just gasoline. Almost all the oil brought up from underground is used for something in whatever shape petroleum products take.
If you want to reduce the cost of oil on a per barrel level, you have to reduce the demand and one way to do that is to find an alternative source for material manufacturing of plastic. Plastics use up a goodly portion of the oil refactoring process aside form making gasoline. If you find another source for creating plastics that are not petroleum based, which 99% of them are, then you would be reducing the demand of that oil simply by increasing the percentage of how much more oil gets converted to gasoline and the remaining petroleum by-products into something else. But plastics which make up quite a large portion of the materials market, would reduce demand on oil, create a glut on the supply side of the market since oil refineries are already operating at 100% capacity in the US, it would drop the cost of oil tremendously (I'd say by half if not more), drop the cost of other precious metals, which would reflect on the markets en masse.
For example, costs of goods would drop, the dollar would be strengthened against other currencies, manufacturers would see an increase in the manufacture of product, orders for durable goods would go up because of the cheap rate of oil, more cars would be built that would strengthen the auto markets, etc. etc. and in essence cheaper oil would make this country and other developing countries quite prosperous since it's usage would be backed up due to freed up demand.
Also, if someone were to properly harness, extract, and refine methane, then that would be an excellent energy source as well. There is more methane on this planet than oil. Conservative estimates put the supply of methane at a 10,000 year supply level. And there some technologies being developed to harness methane as a primary fuel source.
I think most of you get the picture of what i'm talking about. Any rebuttal or contrary commentary would greatly be appreciated.
Necessity is the mother of invention, in this case demand is necessity. As demand grows it will become necassary to produce greater quantities of ethanol and bio diesel faster and cheaper.
The combustion engine drove the need for more economical gasoline production. The first computers cost the government millions of dollars to build and operate not to mention were VERY limited. Today a good home pc can be had for around 1000 dollars and is hundreds of times faster and can do untold numbers of different things.
Throughout history new products have faced opposition. Thomas Edison created the first electric chair to show how deadly his rivals electricy transmission method was.
Alternative energy advocates sure won't be happy with this article.
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