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Study Slams Economics Of Ethanol And Biodiesel
Science A Go Go ^ | 6 July 2005 | Staff

Posted on 07/06/2005 5:07:49 PM PDT by shrinkermd

A new joint study from Cornell University and University of California-Berkeley says that fuels produced from biomass are uneconomical as they use much more energy in their creation than the resulting ethanol or biodiesel generates.

"There is just no energy benefit to using plant biomass for liquid fuel," said study author and Cornell researcher David Pimentel. "These strategies are not sustainable."

The study, appearing in Natural Resources Research, entailed a detailed analysis of the energy input-yield ratios of producing ethanol from corn, switch grass and wood biomass as well as for producing biodiesel from soybean and sunflower plants. The researchers considered such factors as the energy used in producing the crop (production of pesticides and fertilizer, running farm machinery and irrigating, grinding and transporting the crop) and in fermenting/distilling the ethanol from the water mix.

For ethanol production, the study found that: Corn requires 29 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced. Switch grass requires 45 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced. Wood biomass requires 57 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced.

For biodiesel production, the study found that: Soybean plants requires 27 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced. Sunflower plants requires 118 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced.

The researchers acknowledged that finding alternative fuel sources was of great importance but said that bio-fuels were not the answer. "The United State desperately needs a liquid fuel replacement for oil in the near future," says Pimentel, "but producing ethanol or biodiesel from plant biomass is going down the wrong road, because you use more energy to produce these fuels than you get out from the combustion of these products."

While bio-fuels may not be the answer to the looming specter of decreasing oil production, Pimentel does advocate the use of burning biomass to produce thermal energy (to heat homes, for example). In closing, Pimentel said the U.S. should focus its efforts on producing electrical energy from photovoltaic cells, wind power and burning biomass and producing fuel from hydrogen conversion. "Ethanol production in the United States does not benefit the nation's energy security, its agriculture, economy or the environment."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: agrisocialists; agriwelfare; biodiesel; energy; ethanol; farmerhashishandout; zaq
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Minnesota and the rest of the Midwest have not solved any problem with their subsidy of ethanol and biodiesel.
1 posted on 07/06/2005 5:07:50 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

Few new products are economical. Gasoline was in the same boat at one time.


2 posted on 07/06/2005 5:12:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I zot trolls for fun and profit.)
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To: shrinkermd

Well, there goes that alternative.


3 posted on 07/06/2005 5:14:17 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: shrinkermd
while I don't really support any kind of subsidies for research, I DO understand that if you don't study things you WON'T improve.

Federal money isn't the answer, but research will eventually find a more economical and cheap fuel for everyone.
4 posted on 07/06/2005 5:16:06 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Sleep in peace, comrades dear...)
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To: MikeinIraq

"Federal money isn't the answer, but research will eventually find a more economical and cheap fuel for everyone."


Exactly.


5 posted on 07/06/2005 5:19:02 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I zot trolls for fun and profit.)
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To: GVgirl
>>>Well, there goes that alternative.

Don't be so quick to believe it. There's plenty of studies out there that say the opposite of this one. There are ethanol & biodeisl plants popping up all around Iowa. That would not be happening if there were no potential for profit.
6 posted on 07/06/2005 5:19:59 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Life's a beach - and Liberals are like the sand that gets in your swimsuit...)
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To: shrinkermd

MMM...

I remember almost the exact same study from Cornell at least a year ago. Is this a *recycled* story?


7 posted on 07/06/2005 5:20:00 PM PDT by hlmencken3 ("...politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition")
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To: cripplecreek

yeah....

my guess is that it will be some sort of Hydrogen engine or something like that...

but I am not a scientist so I couldnt tell ya...


8 posted on 07/06/2005 5:20:36 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Sleep in peace, comrades dear...)
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To: shrinkermd; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; Dog Gone
Corn requires 29 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced. Switch grass requires 45 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced. Wood biomass requires 57 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced. For biodiesel production, the study found that: Soybean plants requires 27 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced. Sunflower plants requires 118 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced.

I rest my case.

9 posted on 07/06/2005 5:21:00 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: shrinkermd

There is a lot of faith, belief, and distraction in this topic. Energy economy is not the point. This isn't supposed to be more efficient or efficient. This is a way to run our vehicles when the oil is in a state of scarcity. Just saying this isn't efficient won't make the real problem go away.


10 posted on 07/06/2005 5:21:05 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: Keith in Iowa

The company that supplies my propane for heating has a bio diesel pump at thier station. They're running some of their delivery trucks on it. Also they're close to Ann Arbor so thier customer base is growing pretty quickly.


11 posted on 07/06/2005 5:25:01 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I zot trolls for fun and profit.)
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To: BOBTHENAILER

>>>I rest my case.

On a bad study, likely using old data.

Take a moment to educate yourself on the current state of Ethanol production: http://www.nwicc.cc.ia.us/pages/continuing/business/ethanolcurriculum.html


12 posted on 07/06/2005 5:25:13 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Life's a beach - and Liberals are like the sand that gets in your swimsuit...)
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To: shrinkermd

Recycled story.

From 2003 *and* 2001!

http://www.igreens.org.uk/ethanol_from_corn_.htm


13 posted on 07/06/2005 5:25:23 PM PDT by hlmencken3 ("...politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition")
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To: Keith in Iowa

I hope you're right. I'd think biodiesel would make a good alternative for farm equipment, trucks, etc. Availability is always a factor. But if we're burning fossil fuels in a greater quantity to make the stuff than we are by just burning them in the autos, we're defeating the purpose. I'm sure we'll be seeing more on this.


14 posted on 07/06/2005 5:25:54 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: GVgirl

>>>But if we're burning fossil fuels in a greater quantity to make the stuff than we are by just burning them in the autos, we're defeating the purpose.

That is not the case. The studies often cited by the anti-ethanol crowd are flawed, because they attribute the total energy expended in the production of ethanol to just the ethanol, while ignoring the other co-propducts of the process.


15 posted on 07/06/2005 5:30:29 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Life's a beach - and Liberals are like the sand that gets in your swimsuit...)
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To: shrinkermd
Hmmmmm....there seems to be something missing from this "study". The Injuns called it MAZE a.k.a. Corn. If I recall correctly...corn was being used in tractor trailer trucks in an experiment that Willie Nelson was pushing. The results were much more promising than this study indicate. Perhaps I am incorrect in this matter but I would study the corn-based fuel more.
16 posted on 07/06/2005 5:34:46 PM PDT by JediForce (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: cripplecreek

There is a fundamental problem with using Ethanol, in my mind, as an alternative fuel source. The first and foremost problem is the fact that it must be grown. That means that farmland must be reserved for it's usage to be grown and therefore must be rigorously protected against pestilence or deliberate biological sabotage. If you tie any portion of your energy source, in the form of Ethanol, in terms of market share to our economy and something happens to that source then you will have a serious problem on your hands that will rival any oil shortage.

Also, there is the matter of cultivating, harvesting, processing, manufacturing, packaging, delivery, and distribution of such a source as a factor of seriously high cost. Every step of the way, an added cost will be tacked onto Ethanol that may, in the end make it cost prohibitive, short of a federal mandate for it's use. The reason that oil, even in it's current state is still relatively cheap at $60 a barrel is because it can be processed into multiple uses besides just gasoline. Almost all the oil brought up from underground is used for something in whatever shape petroleum products take.

If you want to reduce the cost of oil on a per barrel level, you have to reduce the demand and one way to do that is to find an alternative source for material manufacturing of plastic. Plastics use up a goodly portion of the oil refactoring process aside form making gasoline. If you find another source for creating plastics that are not petroleum based, which 99% of them are, then you would be reducing the demand of that oil simply by increasing the percentage of how much more oil gets converted to gasoline and the remaining petroleum by-products into something else. But plastics which make up quite a large portion of the materials market, would reduce demand on oil, create a glut on the supply side of the market since oil refineries are already operating at 100% capacity in the US, it would drop the cost of oil tremendously (I'd say by half if not more), drop the cost of other precious metals, which would reflect on the markets en masse.

For example, costs of goods would drop, the dollar would be strengthened against other currencies, manufacturers would see an increase in the manufacture of product, orders for durable goods would go up because of the cheap rate of oil, more cars would be built that would strengthen the auto markets, etc. etc. and in essence cheaper oil would make this country and other developing countries quite prosperous since it's usage would be backed up due to freed up demand.

Also, if someone were to properly harness, extract, and refine methane, then that would be an excellent energy source as well. There is more methane on this planet than oil. Conservative estimates put the supply of methane at a 10,000 year supply level. And there some technologies being developed to harness methane as a primary fuel source.

I think most of you get the picture of what i'm talking about. Any rebuttal or contrary commentary would greatly be appreciated.


17 posted on 07/06/2005 5:39:43 PM PDT by Methadras
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To: GVgirl

Necessity is the mother of invention, in this case demand is necessity. As demand grows it will become necassary to produce greater quantities of ethanol and bio diesel faster and cheaper.

The combustion engine drove the need for more economical gasoline production. The first computers cost the government millions of dollars to build and operate not to mention were VERY limited. Today a good home pc can be had for around 1000 dollars and is hundreds of times faster and can do untold numbers of different things.

Throughout history new products have faced opposition. Thomas Edison created the first electric chair to show how deadly his rivals electricy transmission method was.


18 posted on 07/06/2005 5:41:47 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I zot trolls for fun and profit.)
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To: Keith in Iowa
"while ignoring the other co-propducts of the process."



Again a good point. Gasoline was once a useless waste byproduct of refining kerosene.
19 posted on 07/06/2005 5:45:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I zot trolls for fun and profit.)
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To: shrinkermd

Alternative energy advocates sure won't be happy with this article.


20 posted on 07/06/2005 5:45:20 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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