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To: meandog; ninenot; sittnick; AnAmericanMother
The Catholic Church does not exist to conform itself to the shoddy standards of the world. For the very reason that the world rages against the celibate priesthood, the RCC should militantly maintain it. If Vicky Gene is an exception, what have you to say about all those apparently non-homosexual bishops who are defrocking Anglican "priests" (six in Connecticut alone) who resist the, ummmm, social life of Vicky Gene and his, ummmmm, significant other as though fudgepacking were somehow a violation of Christian (and Jewish) standards.

Oh, wait, the bibles are going to be revised to provide that bishops be the husband of only one husband or something like that. Then we will be reminded that the new, new, really, totally, absolutely revised good, better, best news "Bible" rules, right?

Have you got some proof that Mother Superior is empowered to hear sacramental confessions????? In nearly 60 years of being Catholic, that is the very first time I ever heard of such a theory. Those who have not received Holy Orders (as she has not) have not been delegated the power of the keys. What she binds on earth is igored in heaven. What she looses on earth is ignored in heaven. Except, of course, to the extent that such a purported exercise of mock sacramental authority may, in and of itself, be a sin for Mother Superior or the obviously knowledgeable victim of her scam.

The ministers of the sacrament of marriage are the husband and wife. The priest only witnesses on behalf of the Church. The Eucharist is confected by the priest and only by the priest and not "sanctified." Lay women are allowed to administer the Eucharist in the sense of serving the Eucharist to the Catholic in good standing. (Not necessarily a good idea but then Rome decides). Non-Catholics of whatever gender can perform Baptisms under appropriate circumstances. A nun is in a poor position to marry since she is a vowed celibate religious. Only bishops (and therefore no women) may confer the sacrament of Holy Orders. As I understand it, women do not confer Extreme Unction but I may be wrong. Whatever Rome says is certainly OK with me. Only those who are clergy and therefore male may confer confirmation. Penance, likewise.

Not that it matters but I suspect that the Roman soldiers stationed at the tomb were men. To whom Christ revealed Himself first after the esurrection (or during it) has nothing to do with the question.

The question: Who rules as to whether the priesthood is limited to men?

The answer: The pope. Roma Locuta. Causa Finita. The pope (JP II) has spoken and ruled that women are not to be ordained and further ruled that his ruling was permanent and would survive his papacy. End of argument. The cafeteria is closed.

52 posted on 07/06/2005 9:04:22 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

Cenatio clausa est.


57 posted on 07/06/2005 9:12:26 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: BlackElk; AnAmericanMother; dangus
Please re-read your catechisms, you all flunk!

...of course Mother Superiors in a convent has heard "confessions" (though she can not grant absolution, which I never claimed). She can also, as a lay minister, distribute the Eucharist which has been "blessed" by a priest (this is done all the time in convents, check it out). And she, under extreme circumstances, perform baptism and last rites...THIS IS ALL THAT I CLAIMED.

Now, before you each walk lock-step with the current dictates of the Roman faith, please note that until the Dark Ages of history priests as well as bishops were allowed to marry (still a tradition in the Eastern Rite). Also, there are currently more than 100 priests on duty today in the church who are married (the majority are converted Anglican/Episcopal ministers).

Also note that the Ghostic Gospels contain the Gospel of Mary (and it considers her one of the Apostles; SHE was, after all, the first that the risen Christ appeared to at the tomb).

67 posted on 07/06/2005 9:46:26 AM PDT by meandog (FOR LURKING DUers)
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