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To: Dominic Harr
I would disagree with your definition.
Politically Conservative: that is, smaller, less intrusive govt. "Individual solutions to problems", not "collective" ones.

This would seem to fit "Politically Libertarian" better. The current definition of Conservative being defined by smaller, less intrusive government is in response to decades of Liberals using the Government as an agent for Change. Conservatives have historically had no problem with using Government to bolster stability.

As to solving problems; that depends on how you frame what is considered a problem. What is the problem with abortion? Is it the wholesale killing of innocents, or the intrusion of government into individual choices? Which side is conservative, liberal, and libertarian? Here is a case where a conservative would argue for greater government intrusion, right? Is it a political problem or a social one?

286 posted on 07/05/2005 4:01:31 PM PDT by LexBaird (tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: LexBaird
This would seem to fit "Politically Libertarian" better.

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I thought that the 'L v C' difference as defined today basically started with FDR era issues. I thought 'L' was 'for socialistic, collective govt solutions to individual problems" like FDR was, and that 'C' was 'against such solutions and for a Constitutionally limited govt'.

So if I'm incorrect in that, then I don't understand something -- does "smaller, less intrusive govt" have anything to do with 'Conservative' at all?

Am I not actually a 'Conservative'? Am I in the wrong place???

289 posted on 07/05/2005 4:06:43 PM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: LexBaird
As to solving problems; that depends on how you frame what is considered a problem. What is the problem with abortion? Is it the wholesale killing of innocents, or the intrusion of government into individual choices? Which side is conservative, liberal, and libertarian? Here is a case where a conservative would argue for greater government intrusion, right? Is it a political problem or a social one?

Libertarians (and classical liberals) believe that one of the few true functions of government is to protect citizens against the nonconsensual initiation of force or fraud by others. Abortion is one of very few issues that actually divides libertarians, because it boils down to whether one believes the fetus is a person and hence has rights, or a nonperson and hence has none. A ban on abortion is perfectly consistent with libertarianism, just as a ban on murder is. Both involve the initiation of force against a nonconsenting other.

290 posted on 07/05/2005 4:06:57 PM PDT by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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