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China Debuts "Aegis" Destroyers
http://www.afcea.org/signal/ ^ | James C. Bussert

Posted on 07/05/2005 8:41:41 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

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To: adam_az

There's nothing to suggest it doesn't.


21 posted on 07/05/2005 9:25:33 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Dat Mon

Do you think they could "out cold war" the US, the same way we finally outlasted the Soviets in the 80s?


22 posted on 07/05/2005 9:28:00 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: CaptRon
Seawater's going to wreak havoc on the electornics at that depth.

Well, seeing that we are coming out from 8 years of halted R&D in missile systems thanks to Clintoon, I suspect we will be firing the new MarkII Mod4 Wishful thinking at them.

23 posted on 07/05/2005 9:36:06 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: DarkWaters
I wouldn't call the last few weeks calm in west over China's buildup, only thing with all the sound and fury thing in region have shifted much. Taiwan still hasn't approved the weapons package and we have move more than a few bombers into the area. The revitalizing of Guam is at least encouraging. An aside issue is Japan, we need to calm them down because in any preparation we make or weapons sales to Taiwan has to have eye toward peace. Japan's confrontational style toward China is only going to make a conflict more likely, and a conflict with China in my book would be a loss for us both. A more robust posture in the Pacific should be design to deter a conflict because the price of such a conflict would be astronomically higher than we could ever imagine.
24 posted on 07/06/2005 6:32:49 AM PDT by Kuehn12 (Kuehn12)
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To: AD from SpringBay
You asked..."Do you think they could "out cold war" the US, the same way we finally outlasted the Soviets in the 80s?"

Thats a good question!

Right now...its not the same as with Russia. The action is similar...but the effect is not as pronounced.

There is a big difference between our present economy, and the late Soviet Union economy. Russia had to spend a much greater percentage of GDP on military...since their system was so inefficient. Plus Russia had the added burden of internal economic and political pressures from its citizens. Of course...we do have our own internal pressures building too...as with illegal immigration.

Another factor was that traditionally, the US had the best engineers and high tech...which pushed our superiority. As more engineering moves overseas...it will become harder and more expensive to create the latest high tech weapons systems.

The Chinese can weaken us militarily over time, by draining our economy of extra cash reserves...and piling up our debt. It then becomes politically more costly for pols to put money into basic high tech weapons research...as an example... for an advanced missile defense system.

Down the road long term...ten or more years from now...if nothing changes....it WILL be a different ballgame.

The questions are whether China can maintain the same exponential economic and military growth at the same pace for the next ten or twenty years....and what we as a nation are prepared to do when our superiority is threatened.
25 posted on 07/06/2005 12:40:08 PM PDT by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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To: Dat Mon

"The questions are whether China can maintain the same exponential economic and military growth at the same pace for the next ten or twenty years...."

People need to get their mind around the idea that EVERY MEMBER (9 total) of the Chinese elite Politburo Standing Committee is an Engineer (including 6 EE's).
Technological superiority, infrastructure development, and the resulting Military power that it enables, undoubtedly form a core component of their vision for China's future.
China's drive for tech superiority comes streight from the Top.

While clear-cut cases of China surpassing the U.S.
may be 10 or more years down the road based on the current growth rates, IMO a "tipping point" may be much reached much sooner than we can actually measure it.






26 posted on 07/06/2005 9:45:28 PM PDT by indthkr
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To: indthkr
You said..."People need to get their mind around the idea that EVERY MEMBER (9 total) of the Chinese elite Politburo Standing Committee is an Engineer (including 6 EE's).
Technological superiority, infrastructure development, and the resulting Military power that it enables, undoubtedly form a core component of their vision for China's future.
China's drive for tech superiority comes straight from the Top."

Good observations!!

China and other nations see the future and are planning long term for it.

We seem to be focused on short term goals in this culture and society...its the culture of 'instant gratification'.
27 posted on 07/07/2005 7:09:59 AM PDT by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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To: mylife

Not Taiwan, this time. It was JAPAN.

This radar system is the product of a PLC honey trap op against lonely, geeky Japanese MSDF guys who got sloppy using jump drives 2 bring porn to work.

Hot Chinese chicks married the guys, planted the bugs, and knew where the bugs would end up.

These Chinese ships are mostly stolen copies of the US Aegis system, stolen from Japan.


28 posted on 06/18/2013 12:16:26 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: indthkr

Exactly.

That is why I believe it is now time, to stop exporting American manufacturing to China.

It is time to re-industrialize the USA.


29 posted on 06/18/2013 12:21:52 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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