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To: Brilliant
"The reason marriage is waning is the women's movement. The traditional family structure is just not compatible with a society in which every woman works in the market place."

That's a mistake, placing blame on one gender or the other is not helpful. Changes for the worse in our societies is the real culprit. I bet my life on this, that there is a corresponding increase in infidelity and "one night stands" at the expense of matrimony.

How can we attribute one particular factor to this trend? I do not think we can, falling church attendance, lack of a moral and ethical framework, teenage sexual promiscuity and gangster culture role models, nuclear family is a thing of the past........

WHY ARE WE SURPSIED THAT MATRIMONY IS FADING FAST?

43 posted on 07/05/2005 6:44:58 AM PDT by Kelly_2000 (Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: Kelly_2000
How can we attribute one particular factor to this trend? I do not think we can, falling church attendance, lack of a moral and ethical framework, teenage sexual promiscuity and gangster culture role models, nuclear family is a thing of the past........

WHY ARE WE SURPSIED THAT MATRIMONY IS FADING FAST?

Great post, there isn't much wisdom in this thread, nice to find a bit of it. To put all the blame on "women" or "the feminist movement" is INCREDIBLY short-sighted. Society has gone through some incredible changes since World War I and continues to change for the worse at an incredibly rapid pace.

62 posted on 07/05/2005 7:09:00 AM PDT by DameAutour
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To: Kelly_2000
I agree its unfair to place blame on one sex or the other.

As far as infidelity goes, it's just a function of more opportunity. The most important factor in whether a person will cheat on their mate isn't their morals, and it isn't whether they have a 'cheating' personality (though that's a factor). It's being presented with the opportunity to cheat.

I think most people who do cheat on their mates genuinely don't plan on doing it. A lot of factors come into play: maybe they are dissatisfied with their mate, maybe they had a fight with them, maybe their mate alienated them somehow, and an opportunity to have uncluttered sex with someone they find appealing presents itself.

I think in most cases when it happens, it genuinely seems like a good idea at the time, even though it's a rotten idea. That's why I never understood it when people say 'don't you trust me?' or 'we have trust' - infidelity has almost nothing to do with trust at the early stages. Anybody who thinks so doesn't know human nature.

In any case, I wouldn't welcome back a cheater for one simple reason: the energy I have to expend to try and make that relationship work again is probably many times the energy I have to expend to cultivate a new relationship with a new woman (and that new woman doesn't bring me that baggage).

It's just the smart approach: if I were to dedicate emotional resources say at a level of 80 (on a scale from 1-100) in order to make my broken relationship while again, I can dedicate much less than that (say a 40) and wind up with a fresh, attractive, new woman who doesn't bring me that particular issue to deal with. It's a no-brainer, really.
303 posted on 07/05/2005 10:10:31 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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