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Here is another prospective:

I try to be patient, and realize most people views are taken from a narrow perspective; usually the prospective of their life time.

For a few of the macho men of the board, lets take a look at this perspective, for a good portion of our nations history, man did not bring home the bacon,, for most American’s the bacon was on the family farm. Mom did as much work as Dad did, junior also got up for chores. The family was home with each other, bonding, working side by side, with occasional ‘outings’ among neighbors. If Pop went off to war, or had to be gone, Mom worked the farm, as hard as any man.

Then the family moved to the ‘city’, mom, home bound, pop new role ‘bread winner’. Dad has a different out look on Mom at home as he goes off to the city earning a “liven”, and socializing among the town folk. Mom’s value dropped in the eyes of her man.

Hope your starting to get the picture here, I would hate to have to spell it out more for you.

It’s not matter of ‘girly men’ it is a matter of putting your ‘thinking’ cap on’

The author of the articles views are narrow in perspective.

There are several ways to tear down our society one is to male bash the other is to 'woman bash'. To less the value of women in the home, in marriage and society is to damage our nations as much as any insurgent.

Some males on the board need stop whinning like spoiled children who's mommy is not taking care of them, and look at men who have keep their marriages in tact, and a good healthy family, and wife. Note the word difference 'males' vs. 'men'.

1, define macho man, you're already using stereotypes so it's best to define what you mean specifically.

2. Families in general have to work very hard, yes men and women, feminism has assaulted both the traditional work of the man and the traditional work of the women as hokey, and something to look down upon with distain. No one lines up to do something which they disdain.

3. Further, Feminism has insilled relentless man envy in women, feminism preaches the female is worthless should she act female and only useful should she be a clone of your aleged macho man.

The single biggest mistake America ever unleashed on the world was I'd-rather-be-a-man-ism (aka feminism), which preaches the removal of all things feminine from the modern world. The second biggest is that you are 'born gay', and that being gay is acceptable. This has grlified men, and man-ified women. It will soon lead to a rapid economc decline as well, the family was critical to American economic success, and without it, we will be in the realm of slow-growth europe. But we'll have a lot of tom boys and sissys who feel really good about themselves when they're unmarried pushing 50, and have no kids.

My parents marriage was very dark and twisted (in the guise of 'traditional' marriage) with my mother being the doormat/housekeeper/parent and my dad being the pervy king of the castle. He made it abundantly clear that 'she' was his and we were usable and disposable. Toss in a little bit of religious zeal, an insane granny and it bordered on living in a Taliban like world.

Anyhow, my job was to help mom around the house, my brothers (and often mine and mom's) jobs were to help in the fields and on the farm. It was exhausting work. Made even worse because no matter how much we did, it was never enough. I grew up with images of trembling and crying near total collapse at the end of the day, trying to get the last of chores done. With my Dad yelling for her to come do something for him.

Maybe that's why I hate housework so much ;). Maybe that's why I have to watch other people around me to get a clue on what a 'healthy' marriage is, what a 'loving' father is or a 'normal' family.

I also know, through trial and lots of error, that I have the same degree of talent at being married as I do with housekeeping. Some folks can do it, others can't. I just watch and live vicariously through others.