Posted on 07/04/2005 2:52:34 PM PDT by wagglebee
"Oh, it can. A teensy shift in Florida or Ohio would have given us a President Kerry. There is no downside for der Hildebeast to be saying this, and considerable upside."
Many of the "swing states" are being deluged with illegals, including Florida, Nevada, New Mexico, Virginia, and Colorado.
And, if she's really smart, she'll put Bill Richardson on the ticket, and neutralize any criticism in the Latino community. Many Latinos are very anti-illegal, but she needs to reinforce the message that her platform is anti-illegal and not anti-Latino.
"Bet she has even conducted private polling on the issue. If the Dims start yelling about open borders now the calls for reform may cause the GOP to split wide open."
I'd bet my last dollar that this issue has already been poll-tested with swing state voters. The Clintons don't operate on principle.
I'm not happy with Bush on this issue, but I'd never vote for Hillary, even if she were sincere about this.
Hillary, you ignorant slut.........
You and your slimebag of a "husband" had ample opportunity for eight years to...........................................................................................................................................................................
Oh, never mind. Waste of breath speaking the obvious.
What Republican are you aware of "that has a decent track record on immigration" and is a potential candidate for president in 2008?
Well said...deserves repeating. Bush had a historic opportunity after 9/11 to enact meaningful immigration reform, and totally fumbled the ball. One of my biggest disappointments with Dubya...and the list keeps growing, unfortunately.
Oh, *I* believe it well enough...
This from the woman who's husband and party and campaign workers made sure every illegal immigrant vote was counted...
I just emailed her to see what she proposes
talk is cheap senate votes are documented
I bet you nothing will be proposed
She is doing this during the slow news weekend. She is trying to get free PR at a time when GWBush is not dominating the media.
Hitlary talking about borders has all the credibility of a democrat politician saying they "support soldiers" but not what they are doing.
Excuse me .. HEY HILLARY! How about fixing the Candian border security in your own state first ..??
WHAT THE HECK HAVE YOU DONE ABOUT THAT .. N O T H I N G !!!
Know your enemy!
Don't be surprised at ANYTHING this woman does to get elected. There has never been so accomplished a liar- EVER. Even her husband must stand aside in awe...
This woman is working her slimy little fingers to the bone, making deals with reps, co-sponsoring legislation with them. Nice having a group to stand up to the enemy missing their spines- eh? Above all else, she wants to be seen as a "moderate" which anyone with a brain knows isn't true.
She is much more cunning than any of us even realize and a long history of screwing people...don't let your guard down.
By Cliff Kincaid
It was the issue the presidential candidates and the major media didn't want to talk about -- immigration. And yet immigrants, many of them illegal, may have provided Al Gore with millions of votes on November 7th. Indeed, Gore was the administration official who engineered the fraudulent "Citizenship USA" program that brought illegal aliens with criminal backgrounds and potential terrorists into the U.S. as citizens.
In his book, Sell Out, David Schippers says, "The program was placed under the direction of Vice President Al Gore...He was responsible for keeping the pressure on, to make sure the aliens were pushed through by September, [1996], the last day to register for the presidential election." Under the law, only qualified immigrants with no significant criminal history may be admitted. But Schippers found more than 75,000 new citizens had arrest records when they applied for citizenship. Another 176,000 citizens did not have their fingerprints checked for criminal records.
A Congressional investigation of the scandal disclosed the following:
* Hillary Rodham Clinton was involved in discussions on how liberal groups could facilitate the process of making aliens into citizens.
* Al Gore and his staff were involved in discussions on how to "produce a million new citizens before election day," and President Clinton was reported to have said he "wants action."
* One option for President Clinton was to order "lower" standards for U.S. citizenship, so they could be made "more liberal."
* That Immigration and Naturalization Service director Doris Meissner warned that the campaign could be perceived to be "a pro-Democrat voter mill."
In terms of the 2000 election results in Florida, the carefully cultivated media image of Jewish ladies mistakenly voting for Pat Buchanan is a fraud. The real story is that thousands -- perhaps tens of thousands -- of illiterate non-English-speaking non-citizens were herded to the polls to vote for Al Gore. The process of recounting ballots doesn't determine whether the votes were valid, or whether they were cast by American citizens who were registered voters. It may only show how some of them were not competent enough to cast a vote.
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Nationally, it is estimated by Edward Nelson, president of U.S. Border Control (USBC), that 2-4 percent of all votes were cast by non-citizens, and that, in certain Florida areas, such as Dade County, it may have hit 10-15 percent. Figures from the Florida Department of state show that from 1994 to 1998, the number of "other race" registered voters -- that is, primarily Hispanic -- went from just under 100,000 to 655,000. That's an increase of about 600 percent. But white registration increased by only 12 percent, and black registration by 40 percent. In Broward County, the number of "other race" or largely Hispanic voters went from 9,888 to 52,246. "That means," says USBC legal counsel William J. Olson, "for every white or black that went into register during that four year period, there were 28 Hispanics who went in to register."
Nelson points out that no one knows how many of the 550,000 "other race" voters were newly naturalized citizens under the "Citizenship USA" program. But we do know that one of the cities targeted in the program was Miami, Florida. "On the other hand," Nelson says, "no one knows how many of these same voters are not citizens at all, but non-citizens and even illegal aliens who were nevertheless invited to register to vote by Florida motor vehicle and welfare state employees doing what they were required to do under the federal Motor Voter law."
She talks pretty tough for a woman who kissed Arafat's wife, too.
I worship a merciful God so I won't even entertain the possibility!
You took the words right out of my mouth.
Immigration is not my primary issue. Ask me about judges, and I'll run off a list of names. It's the responsibility of people that consider this their top issue to vet candidates that conceivably could win that have at very least a tolerable record. You cannot tell me there isn't one Republican, aside from Tancredo, that would seek to do right by the issue. Though if you seek a perfect record you'll doubtless be disappointed.
Further, I turn the question around. Name me a Democrat with a good record on immigration. This is my point. Hillary thinks rhetoric with actions in defiance of that rhetoric will win an election. It will not. She'll have to offer teeth in form of passed legislation otherwise she has nothing. She isn't running against the Bush Administrations record. She can try to run against the GOP's record, but the Democrats have a worse record.
My dream ticket: Allen/DeLay!!!!!
In 1996, Schippers' book reveals, the Clinton administration was clearly "circumventing normal procedures for naturalizing aliens -- procedures that check backgrounds and weed out criminals -- and consequently they were handing out citizenship papers to questionable characters."
The impeachment prosecutor, who for years prosecuted Mafia cases in Chicago, said the idea for using the INS to rapidly naturalize new potential Democratic voters was first introduced to the White House by then-Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Henry Cisneros in a memo.
"The memo, from the California Active Citizenship Campaign (ACC), complained of a backlog of alien applications for naturalization in Los Angeles. It contained the magic words: 'INS inaction [on the backlog] will deny 300,000 Latinos the right to vote in the 1996 presidential elections [sic] in California,'" Schippers said, quoting the Cisneros memorandum.
Schippers said that INS Commissioner Doris Meissner -- who announced last month she would be stepping down -- warned President Clinton against taking such action via the INS, adding that it could be viewed as politically motivated.
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Schippers: Gore pressured INS to win in '96
Says project turned criminals into citizens just in time to vote
In this excerpt from "Sellout," Schippers details an investigation he conducted as chief counsel for the House Judiciary Committee -- just before getting tapped to work on the impeachment -- involving the Immigration and Naturalization Service, Vice President Al Gore and the 1996 presidential election.
By David P. Schippers
with Alan P. Henry
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In our investigation, we uncovered a case study evidencing what is pejoratively known in political science circles as "Chicago Politics."
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Essentially, the same tactics were used during President Clinton's re-election in 1996.
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The possibility of using CUSA apparently occurred to the White House in February 1996, when Henry Cisneros, then Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, forwarded a memo to President Clinton. The memo, from the California Active Citizenship Campaign (ACC), complained of a backlog of alien applications for naturalization in Los Angeles. It contained the magic words: "INS inaction [on the backlog] will deny 300,000 Latinos the right to vote in the 1996 presidential elections [sic] in California."
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'Stupid rules'
Most interesting were the promises that the IAF would "create voter interest around issues of Affirmative Action and Minimum Wage ... influence 300,000 voters in the preparation for Nov. 1996 ... produce 5,000 precinct leaders and turn out 96,000 voters for the 1996 presidential election."
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Documents show that President Clinton asked Doug Farbrother of the National Performance Review (NPR) staff to look into removing barriers to citizenship not only in Los Angeles but also in San Francisco, Chicago, New York and Miami -- major cities in four swing states. In a memo to the President, Farbrother noted Commissioner Meissner's concern and suggested two options. Farbrother stated that "we can reduce -- but not eliminate -- the risk of controversy over our motives by appointing one of our proven NPR reinventors as Deputy INS Commissioner. ... As part of the official INS management team, our reinventor would have more direct influence and the INS staff would be less likely to go public with complaints than they would over the interference of an outsider." The memo observed that "reinventors" should be put in many other agencies, as well, to replace leaders who "don't get it."
Much more here...
http://tinyurl.com/auace
As much as I hate to agree with this socialist, she's right. She's telling it like it is.
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