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You say America has the strongest economy ever? In the 1950s America was the economy of the world. We made and consumed our own products. Those were real jobs for real people, not the imaginary ones in the shrinking service sector we have now. In the 1950s we still had homesteading in Alaska. Property values were reasonable even in growing areas. You live in a fantasy world if you think America is stronger today economically than it was in 1950. But then again, you'll say anything to keep us in the status quo. That's what you do: shill for the status quo.

I know a part of that was that most of the world was blown up in World War II but even so we still produced most or all what we need or at least we had the capability to. We are lacking that today and I believe "free trade" or at least the free trade contingent fail to see that we are trading our souls, sovereingty and well being for the sake of quick profits. We are too busy looking to the next quarter instead of the next year, 5 years, 10 years or even 50 years. I talked to an online acquaintence in Holland where he weighed in on some of this and came up with the perfect "cliff notes" to this problem, a lot of the free trade business crowd are like "calculators without a vision." Plus in the 1950's and 1960's, we had vision, such as the space race for example, today we are lacking in that and sad to say, President Bush is a bit deflated in vision when you go beyond the War on Terror. I listen to Michael Savage a lot and he made a good point to where we need leadership and we ain't quite getting that.

We are lacking [the ability to make everything we'd need for a world war] today

I agree, but I'm optimistic. I think we could quickly convert our outsourced economy back to a manufacturing one. However, with today's weapons, would a war last that long? It would take months, wouldn't it?

Yes, I agree: we need leadership we're not quite getting. I think this is because the old methods used by the Reaganites need updating. Today's politicians aren't bold enough to recognize it. There is also a lot of economic interest in maintaining the status quo. A lot of firms and political influence blocs alike have billions invested in the world as it stood in 1988 before the Berlin Wall fell.

We have to adapt!

I believe "free trade" or at least the free trade contingent fail to see that we are trading our souls, sovereingty and well being for the sake of quick profits.

England maneuvered to keep the American Colonies from manufacturing anything themselves.

So that the Colonies would always be dependent on England for manufactured goods.

And now the elites consider the nation state as obsolete and inefficient--an obstacle to greater profits.

And it will be if we let them bamboozle us out of it.

Whether America makes or loses money, is not as important as losing independence.