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To: BlackElk
Your last paragraph says it all. At the very least, it is not conservative to advocate or even to tolerate the slaughter by surgical abortion of one hundred thousand innocent babies, period. End of story.

In your opinion. I don't think it is particularly conservative to force a continued pregnancy under threat of government action.

The law says I may not murder my husband, but I don't have to remain living with him. I have a number of other options that I can choose. That seems reasonable to me. In this case, the flip side of outlawing abortion is using the force of government to demand that an individual woman remain pregnant. I don't wish that level of government involvement in people's lives.

I fully understand your opinion, I simply don't happen to share it.

1,275 posted on 07/03/2005 10:22:20 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Dianna; ninenot
At least you understand that you do not have a right to murder your husband. That seems to be "progress" in your social set of pro-aborts.

Divorcing your husband instead of killing your husband has an analogue in giving a child up for adoption rather than murdering the child. I realize that such complex reasoning escapes the "moderate" baby killers but it is valid nonetheless. That is not just my opinion but objective reality.

Finally, I and most social conservatives have no interest whatsoever in making common political cause with those who believe in defending the "right" to perpetrate homicide against innocent unborn infants. I am also not interested in allying with gun grabbers, "conservative" Stalinists or Al Qaeda. Ten conservative Democrats will gladly step up to replace in the GOP each and every departing advocate of baby-killing. My opinions do not result in the death of innocent human beings by the tens of millions. Yours have and do, when translated into public policy by SCOTUS without so much as a by-your-leave to democratic decision-making. The tie breaker between and among opinions is objective reality or A is A. The unborn are human beings and entitled not to be killed.

If you think you are somehow conservative while advocating the killing of babies, think again and join with your leftist and nihilist soulmates. Do not defame the honorable name of "conservative" by suggesting that baby-killing is "conservative."

1,277 posted on 07/04/2005 8:43:07 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Dianna; BlackElk
In this case, the flip side of outlawing abortion is using the force of government to demand that an individual woman remain pregnant. I don't wish that level of government involvement in people's lives.

I've been reading this dialog with fascination. Dianna, this is the second or third time you've used the government-forcing-women-to-remain-pregnant line. Many on your side use this, but no one ever seems to ask the question: if she's not prepared to raise a child, why is she pregnant in the first place? Pregancy is not something that "just happens".

Now I recognize the milieu in which we live presupposes extramarital affairs. Abortion has made this easy, and the bitter roots of ubiquitous elective abortion have gone far beyond the issue itself in shaping culture. Removing those roots will cause somewhat of a seismic shift, but a necessary one to save our culture from ultimate destruction - first the unborn, then the disabled, and finally the family. The question is, are we strong enough as a people? Are we even still able to look beyond ourselves, our pleasure, our entertainment, to the future? Pop culture routinely belittles caricatures of the very thought that gave us this republic. I for one believe that republic is worth preserving, with that lofty ideal in our Pledge of Allegience, "With liberty and justice for all."

1,283 posted on 07/06/2005 12:47:14 AM PDT by Lexinom (45 million dead and a similar number injured constitutes an "extraordinary cirucmstance")
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