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To: Destro

Make up you mind - either I don't know how to see the border with Russia ( its easy - look for the red) or whatever it is you are claiming now?

No Ukrainians in Eastern Ukraine? Stalin had no problem finding them when he killed 10 million.

http://www.faminegenocide.com/resources/famine_map.html

The only reason there are so many Russians in Ukraine is because the Kremlin exported them after getting rid of 10 million Ukrainians.

Why do you continue to deny this?

PS What do you think about the growing Ukrainian nationalism amongst your so-called "Russian" Ukrainians


17 posted on 07/01/2005 5:16:14 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot
Ukrainian is a GEOGRAPHIC distinction that is why the land is called THE UKRAINE. In the Ukraine in the East are mostly ethnic Russians/Eastern Orthodox. In the Western Ukraine are mostly Greek or Roman Catholics. The Soviet (not Russian) induced famine hit the Russian/Orthodox hardest.
22 posted on 07/01/2005 6:53:56 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: spanalot; Destro; All

"The only reason there are so many Russians in Ukraine is because the Kremlin exported them after getting rid of 10 million Ukrainians."

Actually, I've heard that most ethnic Russians came to the Ukraine from 1600 to 1800.

"No Ukrainians in Eastern Ukraine? Stalin had no problem finding them when he killed 10 million."

Actually, the death toll is somewhat disputed. For example, I came across this post on the soc.culture.ukrainian newsgroup:

"There are various estimates of the number of victims in Ukraine in 1932-1933. The maximum figure suggested is over six million (1976 samvydav document of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group). Others give a figure of three to four million (D. Solovii, M. Prykhodko, W.H. Chamberlin, and
V. Hryshko). V. Kubijovyc and C. Manning suggest two to three million." Also:

"There is an extensive list of memoirs and studies on the subject [the Famine of 1932-1933 by Ukrainian, Russian, and other writers, but a basic documentary study is still lacking."

That's from Vasyl Markus's article in The Encyclopedia of Ukraine (which is published by the University of Toronto Press, I believe). However, the Encyclopedia of Ukraine dates from 1984, if I'm not mistaken. So there might have been further study.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.ukrainian/browse_frm/thread/f05ce9acf372dffe/e11283046d5a818a?q=murder&rnum=1&hl=en#e11283046d5a818a





23 posted on 07/01/2005 1:57:04 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Regan 3:16: He whooped Communism's ass!)
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