BBC: Troops must stay in Iraq - Blair ~~ as long as necessary to defeat terrorism.

And several items from the AP I am adding here......

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Today: June 29, 2005 at 14:18:17 PDT

Blair Tells AP Troops Must Stay in Iraq

By PAISLEY DODDS
ASSOCIATED PRESS

LONDON (AP) -

British Prime Minister Tony Blair said Wednesday that it was "vitally important" for coalition troops to remain in Iraq "until the job is done."

In an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, Blair described the conflict in Iraq as a "monumental battle" and said it was essential that troops "not leave until the job is done."

"That is vitally important. If we defeat these insurgents and terrorists in Iraq - and we'll only defeat them with the Iraqi people - we will beat that terrorism and insurgency worldwide," he said.

Blair's comments came a day after President Bush, in a nationally televised address, promised to keep U.S. forces in Iraq until the fight is won.

"The most important thing we can do in Iraq is concentrate on the fact ... that what is happening there is a monumental battle that affects our own security," Blair said.

"You've got every bad element in the whole of the Middle East in Iraq trying to stop that country (from getting) on its feet and (becoming) a democracy.

"The world for both of us changed after Sept. 11," Blair said. "What happened for me after Sept. 11 is that the balance of risk changed. I took the view that if these people ever got hold of nuclear, chemical or biological capability, they would probably use it."

Sept. 11 "changed the whole picture. It changed the politics of how we dealt with the threat. And I still believe in a time to come it will be seen as important that we took that decision."

On the crisis facing the future of the European Union, Blair said its proposed constitution hinges on a change of heart in France and the Netherlands, where voters have resoundingly rejected the treaty.

"The EU constitution depends on a change in the French and Dutch positions, so in a sense it is for them to come forward and say how this can be done before we can really know how that moves on," he said.

EU leaders agreed at a summit earlier this month to freeze the ratification process for the constitution following the French and Dutch rejections. The talks ended in acrimony after Blair refused to surrender Britain's annual rebate on payments to the EU.

He said he would only negotiate if the EU agreed to phase out a budget heavily weighted toward agricultural subsidies, of which France is the main beneficiary.

Blair said Wednesday that his proposals would help the 25-nation bloc modernize and put it in a better position to compete globally.

"There has been a dispute in the European Union. But there is a deeper dispute and it is about the direction of Europe," he said. "Should Europe embrace globalization and try and make it work for us, or should we try and ward it off?"

"I am for embracing globalization and saying you have got no option in today's world. You have got to be more competitive. You have got to invest in science and technology, research and investment.

"That is the battle that underlines all this, really."

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Today: June 29, 2005 at 14:18:18 PDT

Blair Denies Memos Prove Iraq Decision

By PAISLEY DODDS
ASSOCIATED PRESS

LONDON (AP) -

British Prime Minister Tony Blair said Wednesday the "Downing Street memos" paint a distorted picture, and he insisted that the Iraq war was not predetermined by the United States.

"People say the decision was already taken. The decision was not already taken," he said in an exclusive interview with The Associated Press.

Blair added he was "a bit astonished" at the intensive U.S. media coverage about the leaked memos, which actually were leaked minutes of a July 23, 2002, meeting between Blair and top government officials at his Downing Street office.

According to the minutes of the meeting, Sir Richard Dearlove, then chief of Britain's intelligence service, said the White House viewed military action against Saddam Hussein as inevitable following the Sept. 11 attacks.

President Bush "wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD," read the memo, seen by the AP. "But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

In the interview, Blair said raising such concerns was a natural part of any examination of the cause for war.

"The trouble with having a political discussion on the basis of things that are leaked is that they are always taken right out of context. Everything else is omitted from the discussion and you end up focusing on a specific document," he said.

"It would be absolutely weird if, when the Iraq issue was on the agenda, you were not constantly raising issues, trying to work them out, get them in the right place," he said.

Details of the memos appeared in British newspapers last month but the news in Britain quickly turned to the May 5 election that returned Blair to power. In the United States, however, the revelations raised criticism among opponents of the Bush administration.

"I am a bit astonished at how this has received such coverage in the U.S. because the fact is, after the memo was done, we went to the United Nations," Blair said.

"What people forget about that memo is that that (it) occurred nine months before the conflict. ... So whatever issues there were, we resolved them ultimately by saying we have got to give it one last chance to work peacefully."

Blair also said it was "vitally important" for coalition troops to remain in Iraq "until the job is done."

"That is vitally important. If we defeat these insurgents and terrorists in Iraq - and we'll only defeat them with the Iraqi people - we will beat that terrorism and insurgency worldwide," he said.

Blair's comments came a day after Bush, in a nationally televised address, promised to keep U.S. forces in Iraq until the fight is won.

"The most important thing we can do in Iraq is concentrate on the fact ... that what is happening there is a monumental battle that affects our own security," Blair said.

"You've got every bad element in the whole of the Middle East in Iraq trying to stop that country (from getting) on its feet and (becoming) a democracy.

"The world for both of us changed after Sept. 11," Blair said. "What happened for me after Sept. 11 is that the balance of risk changed. I took the view that if these people ever got hold of nuclear, chemical or biological capability, they would probably use it."

Sept. 11 "changed the whole picture. It changed the politics of how we dealt with the threat. And I still believe in a time to come it will be seen as important that we took that decision."

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Today: June 29, 2005 at 16:33:21 PDT

Quotes From AP Interview With Tony Blair

By The Associated Press
ASSOCIATED PRESS

Quotes from British Prime Minister Tony Blair's interview with The Associated Press:

- Iraq:

"If we defeat these insurgents and terrorists in Iraq - and we'll only defeat them with the Iraqi people - we will defeat that terrorism and insurgency worldwide."

"You've got every bad element in the whole of the Middle East in Iraq trying to stop that country to get on its feet and become a democracy."

- The "Downing Street memos," which suggest the Bush administration had a predetermined plan to go to war in Iraq:

"People say the decision was already taken. The decision was not already taken."

"The trouble with having a political discussion on the basis of things that are leaked is that they are always taken right out of context. Everything else is omitted from the discussion and you end up focusing on a specific document."

"It would be absolutely weird if, when the Iraq issue was on the agenda, you were not constantly raising issues, trying to work them out, get them in the right place."

- Blair's relationship with President Bush:

"The strong relationship makes it very easy to have a dialogue. So if there are genuine disagreements there we try to work them out."

"My support for America is not based on you give us support for this and you get that in return. It is not what the thing is about to me at all. I should only do what is right for Britain. The president should only do what is right for America and we should both try to do what is right for the world."

- The Sept. 11 attacks:

"After Sept. 11, I took the view if these people can ever get hold of nuclear, chemical or biological capability they'd probably use it because they don't care if they kill. People who kill 3,000 people don't care if they kill 30,000 or 300,000 people ... The balance of risk for me changed."

"I thought it right that we went back into the international community and said 'No, we are going to draw a line in the sand here,' and the country to do it with was Iraq, because they were in breach of U.N. resolutions going back many years."

- The European Union:

"There has been a dispute in the European Union. But there is a deeper dispute and it is about the direction of Europe ... Should Europe embrace globalization and try and make it work for us, or should we try and ward it off? I am for embracing globalization and saying you have got no option in today's world.

- Climate change:

"Obviously there is a disagreement over the Kyoto treaty and you are not going to resolve that disagreement."

"The important thing is that we at least agree that we move over time toward a low-carbon economy, that curbing greenhouse gas emissions is an important part of that and that it's important that we act with some sense of immediacy."

- Life in politics:

"If you believe in what you are doing it is exciting to take on the challenge and try to do it ... What is the point of being in politics unless you try and resolve the difficult issues?"

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Today: June 29, 2005 at 17:33:0 PDT

Blair: No Predetermination for Iraq War

By PAISLEY DODDS and DAN PERRY
ASSOCIATED PRESS

LONDON (AP) -

Prime Minister Tony Blair firmly denied Wednesday that the Bush administration signaled just months after Sept. 11 that a decision was made to invade Iraq, saying he was "astonished" by claims that leaked secret memos suggested the U.S. was rushing to war.

In an interview with The Associated Press a day after President Bush delivered a televised defense of the war in Iraq, Blair said defeating the insurgency was crucial to protecting security worldwide, and joined Bush in linking the war with the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

"What happened for me after Sept. 11 is that the balance of risk changed," said Blair, interviewed on the stone terrace overlooking the garden of his No. 10 Downing Street offices, where policy meetings on Iraq were held before the invasion.

After Sept. 11, it was necessary to "draw a line in the sand here, and the country to do it with was Iraq because they were in breach of U.N. resolutions going back over many years," he said. "I took the view that if these people ever got hold of nuclear, chemical or biological capability, they would probably use it."

Blair was asked about the leaked memos, which suggest strong concerns in the British government that the Bush administration was determined in 2002 to invade Iraq - months before the United States and Britain unsuccessfully sought U.N. Security Council approval for military action.

"People say the decision was already taken. The decision was not already taken." Blair said he was "a bit astonished" at the intensive U.S. media coverage about the memos, which included minutes of a July 23, 2002, meeting between Blair and top officials at his Downing Street office.

According to the minutes of the meeting, Sir Richard Dearlove, then chief of Britain's intelligence service, said the White House viewed military action against Saddam Hussein as inevitable following the Sept. 11 attacks. Bush "wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD" (weapons of mass destruction), read the memo, seen by the AP. "But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

In the interview, Blair said raising such concerns was a natural part of any examination of the cause for war.

"The trouble with having a political discussion on the basis of things that are leaked is that they are always taken right out of context. Everything else is omitted from the discussion and you end up focusing on a specific document," he said. "It would be absolutely weird if, when the Iraq issue was on the agenda, you were not constantly raising issues, trying to work them out, get them in the right place," he said.

Blair suggested that ensuring victory in Iraq was now more important than debating the case for invasion.

"The most important thing we can do in Iraq is concentrate on the fact ... that what is happening there is a monumental battle that affects our own security," he said. "You've got every bad element in the whole of the Middle East in Iraq trying to stop that country (from getting) on its feet and (becoming) a democracy."

Blair echoed Bush's pledge a day earlier to keep U.S. forces in Iraq until the fight is won. "There is only one side to be on now and it is time we got on it and stuck in there and get the job done, and not leave until the job is done," he said.

Blair won a historic third term in office last month. But his Labour Party saw its parliament majority slashed, largely because of discontent over Iraq. While Blair's close ties to Bush have cost him with voters at home, he said it's that relationship which allows the countries to talk about tough issues.

"My support for America is not based on you give us support for this and you get that in return," Blair said. "I should only do what is right for Britain. The president should only do what is right for America, and we should both try to do what is right for the world."

That alluded to Blair's ambitious twin goals for next week's summit in Scotland of the world's eight most industrialized nations - reaching consensus on fighting climate change, and greatly boosting aid to Africa. On climate change in particular, Blair said the going may be rough.

"On climate change there obviously has been a disagreement over Kyoto," Blair said referring to the Kyoto Protocol, which the Bush administration has rejected. He said he hoped to reach agreement on moving toward a low-carbon economy that curbs greenhouse gas emissions.

"On Africa, I don't think there is a disagreement about the basic principles of what we are trying to achieve and obviously I hope that by the time we get to the summit next week we have got agreement on the substance of the package."

Blair is calling for fair trade in Africa and an extra $25 billion a year in international aid for the continent by 2010, and a further $25 billion annually up to 2015.

Blair, looking tanned and relaxed, has said he won't run for another term, and on Wednesday he brushed aside a question about what he might do after leaving office.

"I don't spend a lot of time thinking about it because the job is pretty all-engrossing. If you believe in what you are doing, it is exciting to take on the challenge and try to do it."

Next to the terrace was the Cabinet room, where the walls are lined with tomes on the lives of Benjamin Disraeli and other predecessors. Does he remain as full of energy as in 1997, that heady time of promise when he first joined their ranks?

"Yes, I do," he replied. "In fact, I feel vigorous and enthusiastic."

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Are the Libs going to count the number of times Tony mentions 9-11?

"After Sept. 11, I took the view if these people can ever get hold of nuclear, chemical or biological capability they'd probably use it because they don't care if they kill. People who kill 3,000 people don't care if they kill 30,000 or 300,000 people ... The balance of risk for me changed."

Precisely.

I am tired of listening to the arguments of the isolationists and of the Leftists (saving the few such as Blair). Their arguments are weak. Insipid. war for oil? halliburton? For people that are supposed to be so nuanced why is it that the supporters of this war have a wealth of understanding that cannot intelectually be refuted? An understanding that takes many layers. National security, humanitarian, etc.

It's a world war. Time to wake up.

Some good thoughts here:

One Iraq, Two Wars