Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Pittsburgh Brewing says it's in deep trouble (will go under unless it can drop pensions)
Post-Gazette ^ | June 29, 2005 | Len Boselovic

Posted on 06/29/2005 7:50:11 AM PDT by mountaineer

Pittsburgh Brewing, whose Iron City beer has been a staple of Pittsburgh life for more than 140 years, is warning it will go out of business unless it is allowed to terminate a pension plan covering about 530 current and former employees.

The company has told the federal Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. it has lost $1.2 million from operations over the last three years despite $1 million in cost reductions and forbearance by lenders, government agencies and others who have granted concessions to save it.

(Excerpt) Read more at post-gazette.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: beer; ironcity; pensions; pittsburgh
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 101-117 next last
Oh, the humanity!
1 posted on 06/29/2005 7:50:12 AM PDT by mountaineer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: martin_fierro; Willie Green; xsmommy

'Burgh ping!


2 posted on 06/29/2005 7:50:36 AM PDT by mountaineer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mountaineer

Switch it from a defined benefit to a defined contribution. Lots of corporations have done that. Or do they have a union that is more interested in deep-sixing the corporation than in saving the company and employee jobs?


3 posted on 06/29/2005 7:52:38 AM PDT by twigs
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mountaineer

The pension won't save them. They are the walking dead. This is a ploy by the owners to get out from under a problem and be able to divide a larger amount of the spoils when it finally does collaspe.


4 posted on 06/29/2005 7:54:41 AM PDT by joesbucks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: twigs

It looks like their problem is more than just pensions.


5 posted on 06/29/2005 7:55:29 AM PDT by joesbucks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: mountaineer
Defined benefit health and pension costs are rising exponentially for companies that have these types of plans. We'll hear more and more about these failures.

Think about it, retirees alone cause a huge strain on these plans. They contributed a miniscule amount during their working years for health insurance and are now comsuming 100x what they put in. The math simply doesn't work.

6 posted on 06/29/2005 7:55:39 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mountaineer

I killed many brain cells with this swill.


7 posted on 06/29/2005 7:55:56 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Now that taglines are cool, I refuse to have one.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 1Old Pro

So why did these companies, union or no union agree to this and now want us to bail them out?


8 posted on 06/29/2005 7:56:34 AM PDT by joesbucks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: mountaineer

Looks like Vitamin I needs a shot of Vitamin $$$$$ and lots of it.


9 posted on 06/29/2005 7:56:48 AM PDT by pghkevin (Have you hugged your kids today? Have you thanked someone in the Military today?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: joesbucks

Lots of problems, indeed!


... Brewery officials said in the letter than lenders won't finance $4 million in plant improvements because of the pension problem. Among other things, the brewery needs to replace a 45-year-old keg system and a 65-year-old boiler that generates steam to power brewery equipment.

An investment group bought the company at a bankruptcy auction 10 years ago for more than $31 million, including assuming $18 million in debt. The company's vice chairman, Joseph Piccirilli, put up $7 million of the $13.6 million in cash involved in the deal, the letter says.

Brewery officials didn't immediately return calls for comment Wednesday.

The brewery employs about 250. It hasn't made almost $900,000 in pension contributions required since last October. The company is on the hook for another $455,000 contribution next month and the same amount in October, according to the letter. ...

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/national/12013771.htm


10 posted on 06/29/2005 7:57:18 AM PDT by mountaineer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: mountaineer

Expect to see a lot of companies screwing their workers now. The precedent has already been set.


11 posted on 06/29/2005 7:57:42 AM PDT by mysterio
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tijeras_Slim
I killed many brain cells with this swill.

But only the weak ones.

12 posted on 06/29/2005 7:57:56 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: mountaineer

The company made a contract with the workers and now must live up to it. If that means selling or closing the company and dividing the assets among those vested in the pension system, so be it.

It's lousy beer anyway.


13 posted on 06/29/2005 7:59:04 AM PDT by Poser (Joining Belly Girl in the Pajamahadeen)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mountaineer

Let them go out of business. They are the idiots that decided to set up a DC plan, and then apparently under-funded it. There should be consequences for stupid long term decisions. Of course, given that Sociail Security is the largest unfunded DC plan ever, it is understandable that they would seek help from the Feds.


14 posted on 06/29/2005 7:59:45 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: twigs
"Or do they have a union that is more interested in deep-sixing the corporation than in saving the company and employee jobs?"

Let'em go out of business. Then the responsible parties (incompentent management) will lose their jobs in addition to those workers who were NOT so responsible.

15 posted on 06/29/2005 8:00:08 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: joesbucks
So why did these companies, union or no union agree to this and now want us to bail them out?

That's simple. The unions and the workers demanding better benefits at lower costs to the workers thanks to Taft-Hartley. Also nobody predicted decades ago that healthcare costs would rise as significantly as they did. The unions said NO to reforming and restructuring their members benefit plans. Just as today, the socialist groups like the unions are attempting to prevent reform of social security. When that system fails guess who will bail that out as well?

16 posted on 06/29/2005 8:00:11 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: joesbucks
It looks like their problem is more than just pensions.

I agree.

It appears that the market is not satisfied with their product, or their sales team is incompetent.

17 posted on 06/29/2005 8:00:29 AM PDT by Freebird Forever (Imagine if islam controlled the internet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: 3catsanadog; agrace; annyokie; Asphalt; Atlantin; Ayn Rand wannabe; Badray; Benrand; ...
It's a 'Burgh


Thing.™

Click for Pittsburgh International, Pennsylvania Forecast
Send FReepmail if yunz want on/off BPT list, 'n'at
Learn Pittsburghese!
The List of Ping Lists

18 posted on 06/29/2005 8:04:46 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: joesbucks
This is from June 10, for what it's worth:

PITTSBURGH (AP) - Pittsburgh Brewing Co. workers ratified a five-year contract that provides increased wages and pension benefits, minimal job losses based on attrition, and employee contributions to health insurance. The contract covers about 150 workers, who had been working under an extension of a contract that expired April 30, said David Kelly, president of Bottlers Local 144B. The brewery makes Iron City and I.C. Light beers. source

19 posted on 06/29/2005 8:07:05 AM PDT by mountaineer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: mountaineer

Looks like IC Brewery executives signed a contract knowing that they would soon dump the pension obligations onto the backs of taxpayers.


20 posted on 06/29/2005 8:10:36 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 101-117 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson