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A scolding from Miss Rice
WorldNetDaily ^ | June 27, 2005 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 06/28/2005 8:40:46 PM PDT by Willie Green

For education and discussion only. Not for commercial use.

From the Washington Post to the Wall Street Journal to the Financial Times, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is being hailed for her latest public scolding of America's Arab allies.

In what columnist David Ignatius calls the "signature line" of her speech at the American University in Cairo, Rice declared:

For 60 years, my country, the United States, pursued stability at the expense of democracy in this region here in the Middle East, and we achieved neither. Now, we are taking a different course.

What is it about Rice's speech that makes it so off-putting and irritating?

First, in treating friends, common decency and diplomacy – and the Good Book, as well – teach us that private admonition is preferable to the public declamation, which is often the mark of the hypocrite.

Second, Rice's public scolding fairly reeks of moral arrogance. Unlike my purblind predecessors, Rice is telling us, my president and I are moved by a higher, nobler cause. While we fight for democracy for Arabs and Muslims, my predecessors, going back to World War II, were only interested in "stability." Thus, they all failed.

The claim is absurd. For Rice's predecessors had to conduct foreign policy during a Cold War in which freedom was at stake and under siege from the greatest enemy the West had known since the Islamic armies invaded France in the eighth century.

Thirty years ago, during Watergate, Richard Nixon ordered a huge arms airlift to save Israel in the Yom Kippur War, for which Golda Meir was eternally grateful. Then, with Dr. Kissinger, he brokered an armistice and effected a severance of Sadat's Egypt from the Soviet Bloc – to the West. Jimmy Carter took it from there, brokering the Camp David peace accords between Egypt and Israel that still hold.

Does Rice believe that because Nixon, Kissinger and Carter did not insist that Sadat hold elections they were on some lesser moral plane than her own virtuous self?

President Bush's father, in the Gulf War, put together a coalition of NATO nations and Arab autocracies, including the Syria of Hafez al-Assad – a ruler no less ruthless than Saddam – to expel Iraq from Kuwait in a six-week war that was a military masterpiece. U.S. casualties were a tenth of those in our current war, an end to which is not remotely in sight.

Was that Bush I achievement diminished because Saudi Arabia, which provided bases and troops, and Kuwait, the nation we rescued, were, neither of them, democracies on the New England model?

From Truman to Bush I, from Acheson to Jim Baker, with rare exceptions, U.S. Middle East policy was crafted, as it should have been, to secure the vital interests of the United States. Who is Rice, and what exactly are her accomplishments, to demean what these men achieved: victory in a half-century Cold War with the Soviet Empire?

There is another problem with this schoolmarmish scolding of Arab nations that aided this country in the Cold War, but have failed to live up to Rice's standards.

Has she or President Bush thought through the consequences should their hectoring succeed in destabilizing and bringing down Saudi Arabia or Egypt? Have they observed how the elections they've been demanding have been going of late?

In southern Lebanon, Hezbollah and the Amal militia took every parliamentary seat. In the West Bank and Gaza, Hamas is so strong the Palestinian Authority postponed the July elections. If Hosni Mubarak held free elections in Egypt, his principal rival would be the Muslim Brotherhood. If the Saudi monarchy should hold elections, Osama bin Laden might not win, but my guess is he makes the runoff.

President Bush is riding for a fall. He sold the war in Iraq to the country on the hard security ground that Saddam had ties to al-Qaida, that he may have had a role in 9-11, that he was hell-bent on getting WMD and atom bombs, and that, when he did, he would give them to fanatics to use on Washington, D.C. The lady who stapled together that false and perhaps falsified case for George Bush was Condi Rice.

Now they tell us the war was about democracy in Iraq and the Middle East – i.e., a nobler cause than any such mundane concerns as American national security.

This is baby boomers working up noble-sounding excuses and preparing high-minded defenses in the event they wind up as failures.

When the Great Society programs of LBJ led to riots, inflation, campus upheaval, crime waves, polarization and a quarter century of almost unbroken Republican rule, liberals exonerated themselves by saying that, even though they had lost the country, they were still blameless, since their motives were so superior to those of their adversaries.

The liberals' defense of the Great Society debacles will be the neocons' defense if we lose the Middle East. But Rice's homilies about how high-minded she was will carry little weight. Americans won't buy it. Just ask Robert McNamara.


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To: verity
Mr. Buchanan is irrelevant except to the unfortunate few who care about him.

Blessed are you when people hate you, and when they exclude and insult you, and denounce your name as evil on account of the Son of Man.

Rejoice and leap for joy on that day! Behold, your reward will be great in heaven. For their ancestors treated the prophets in the same way.

Luke 6:22~23


41 posted on 06/29/2005 6:48:26 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
What a whacked view they have. Saddam committing 1.5 million plus murders over 35 years, nerve-gassing 40,000 Kurds in his own country, and torture-murdering citizens in torture chambers all over the country for the sheer pleasure of it is the kind of "stability" that they want?

Our whacked out view for a couple hundred years was that, beyond diplomatic pressure, SUCH was none of our damned business!

How long do you think it will take us to get around to Zimbabwe?

42 posted on 06/29/2005 6:48:43 AM PDT by iconoclast (.. the president should "stop talking down" to Congress and the American people. - Anthony Cordesman)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
How about when we installed and supported Saddam to stabilize Iraq. Supporting a minority dictator to keep Shiites out of power. We pursued stability at the expense of democracy since they struck oil over there. Her admission was not hypocritical, it was truthful. Even the presidents father, a president I voted for, and respected greatly, stopped short of toppling Saddam....in the interests of stability.
Aftermath of desert storm showed us that dictatorships only bring quiet, never stability. 911 showed us that our "friends" over there were really only using us to maintain power, while they worked with radical islam to destroy us. We are now reaping what our policies have sown. That is not a blame America statement, it is an honest assessment of why we are now moving in a more honorable, and productive path. It also is an "in your face" expression that any ruler, dictator, sheik, shah, or mullah is not our friend, and will be looked at as impediments to democracy and freedom. Now if that sounds too pure, off-putting, and irritating, so be it. Welcome to the new world, post 911. It has also been pointed out that Ms. rice's most controversial part of her speech was the opening...."Ladies and Gentlemen" again morally superior, off-putting, and pretty damn irritating to a bunch of harem holding Muslims.
43 posted on 06/29/2005 7:08:51 AM PDT by photodawg
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To: iconoclast

Well, its what we SHOULD be doing.

And supporting these Arab dictators has been counterproductive. They spawn radical groups with their brutal and savage techniques.

History has proven that democracies are less likely to engage in aggressive foreign military policies than dictatorships and Rice well ennunciated that position in her speech.

She's our best crack at defeating Hillery. Especially if teamed with Allen or Tancredo.


44 posted on 06/29/2005 7:18:24 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU
History has proven that democracies are less likely to engage in aggressive foreign military policies than dictatorships and Rice well ennunciated that position in her speech.

Unadulterated Koolaid.

Post WW I Germany was a democracy.

By contrast, our new best friend (and Bin Laden control center) is the undisturbed Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

45 posted on 06/29/2005 7:33:31 AM PDT by iconoclast (.. the president should "stop talking down" to Congress and the American people. - Anthony Cordesman)
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To: iconoclast
Iconoclast,

Please understand, I respect your libertarian views, as often expressed by Pat.

However, I respectfully disagree with each and every point in your argument, other than that there were ancillary reasons to go into Iraq beyond terrorism.

However, your post has too many points to respond to in one reply, and it would be a disservice to your arguments to try.

If you wish to take one point at a time, and expound on that one point, I will gladly give you an alternative view point.

Regards


Clean your muskets and sharpen your pitchforks and get ready to ride to the sound of the guns.(KELO) :o}-

Dems, hello??? We could get out of Vietnam; we can’t GET OUT of terrorism.

46 posted on 06/29/2005 7:39:08 AM PDT by sirthomasthemore (I go to my execution as the King's humble servant, but God's first!)
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To: iconoclast

"Unadulterated Koolaid.

Post WW I Germany was a democracy."

You are the Koolaid dispenser here iconoclast.

"Democratic" Germany didn't start WW2. Hitler had buried the Weimar Republic before he began his push for Lebensraum.

If anything, most Democracies are TOO peaceful. They are almost pacifistic. Read some history.


47 posted on 06/29/2005 7:51:14 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: photodawg
We are now reaping what our policies have sown.

No, we are now reaping what abandoning our policies have sown. Petty dictators, kept on a sufficiently short leash, are infinitely preferable to elected governments like the mullocracy in Iran. Or France, for that matter.

48 posted on 06/29/2005 8:00:27 AM PDT by Luddite Patent Counsel (Theyre digging through all of your files, stealing back your best ideas.)
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To: iconoclast

Been there, face to face.


49 posted on 06/29/2005 8:20:57 AM PDT by roses of sharon (,)
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To: iconoclast
Oh, so there were no links to al-queda and other islamic terrorist groups, no wmds or programs, no firing on coalition aircraft, no links to WTC1 or OKC and saddam lived up to the ceasefire agreement and didn't attempt to kill 2 presidents and the u.n. wasn't allowing iraq to rearm in violation of sanctions.

Democracy? We can civilize them or kill them. We're trying the civilization thing first, we always have the other option open.

50 posted on 06/29/2005 8:33:25 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: iconoclast

p.s. Since iraq was just a peaceful country minding it's own business ,I guess we should have invaded canada or mexico. They have oil too and they're a lot closer.


51 posted on 06/29/2005 8:36:32 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: sirthomasthemore
If you wish to take one point at a time, and expound on that one point, I will gladly give you an alternative view point.

You take 'em one at at time ... I will do my best to reply as time and duties permit.

52 posted on 06/29/2005 9:59:12 AM PDT by iconoclast (.. the president should "stop talking down" to Congress and the American people. - Anthony Cordesman)
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To: ZULU
"Democratic" Germany didn't start WW2. Hitler had buried the Weimar Republic before he began his push for Lebensraum.

And you think once/if we manage to install a puppet regime it's gonna stay that way?

That's where the Koolaid comes in ZULU.

53 posted on 06/29/2005 10:06:33 AM PDT by iconoclast (.. the president should "stop talking down" to Congress and the American people. - Anthony Cordesman)
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To: roses of sharon
I hope that means you're helping.
54 posted on 06/29/2005 10:12:43 AM PDT by iconoclast (.. the president should "stop talking down" to Congress and the American people. - Anthony Cordesman)
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To: Eagles6
Oh, so there were no links to al-queda and other islamic terrorist groups, no wmds or programs, no firing on coalition aircraft, no links to WTC1 or OKC and saddam lived up to the ceasefire agreement and didn't attempt to kill 2 presidents and the u.n. wasn't allowing iraq to rearm in violation of sanctions.

Are you some kind of Rip Van Winkle?

Not even the Fox News talking heads make these ludicrous claims anymore as to the cause of this debacle.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

55 posted on 06/29/2005 10:16:06 AM PDT by iconoclast (.. the president should "stop talking down" to Congress and the American people. - Anthony Cordesman)
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To: Eagles6
,I guess we should have invaded canada or mexico. They have oil too and they're a lot closer.

Had it been just about crude oil, you'd be absolutely correct.

But mull this acronym over for a while .... O.I.L.

1) O is for oil.
2) I is for Israel (the defense thereof)
3) L is for logistics ... i.e. our new cites for defense bases in the ME to replace those in Saudi Arabia that we crawled away from with our tails between our legs!

Bush was sold a bill of goods (not difficult considering) that all this could be accomplished with a little cakewalk war and off he went!

I think I shall never forget/forgive his declaring victory in his little airman's suit!

56 posted on 06/29/2005 10:26:36 AM PDT by iconoclast (.. the president should "stop talking down" to Congress and the American people. - Anthony Cordesman)
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To: iconoclast

OMG, "hope" and "helping" all in one sentence? Losing your touch?

Or just "talking down"?


57 posted on 06/29/2005 10:26:40 AM PDT by roses of sharon (,)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
Pre-Ayahtolla Iran was a pretty stable place.

Only on the surface. It was a powder keg for years. And the Shah was a butcher in his own right. His secret police [Savak]were.
I don't know that we had many options in the middle east at the time because our policy was guided by cold war realities and the encroachment of the USSR in the region.
But don't kid yourself regarding Iranian stability under the Shah. It was an illusion for many years before 1979.

58 posted on 06/29/2005 10:27:15 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: roses of sharon
How 'bout a meds break?

Your replies are becoming more and more confusing.

59 posted on 06/29/2005 10:28:48 AM PDT by iconoclast (.. the president should "stop talking down" to Congress and the American people. - Anthony Cordesman)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

The Shah's problems started in the mid 70's, when he declared himself "emperor" and usurped the authority of the mullahs (or at least made them think he was going to) in religious matters. That's when SAVAK became really oppressive. Throughout the 50's and 60's, there was relative stability.


60 posted on 06/29/2005 10:32:15 AM PDT by Luddite Patent Counsel (Theyre digging through all of your files, stealing back your best ideas.)
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