A scolding from Miss Rice

WorldNetDaily ^ | June 27, 2005 | Patrick J. Buchanan

[r9etb]

What is it about Rice's speech that makes it so off-putting and irritating?

The fact that it's Pat Buchanan that's irritated and off-put immediately demonstrates that Miss Rice is once again on the right side of history.

Buchanan has become increasingly bizarre. I wonder if he's starting to lose his mind.

[SJackson]

If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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In case anyone cares about Abu Pat on Condi and the mideast.

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

You won't be missed. Got any insights to share on the issues, or are we just posting vanities today?

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

In case anyone cares about Abu Pat on Condi and the mideast.

Pat just can't wait for that first, thrilling, free government-mandated burqa fitting.

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

You need to go somewhere and sober up.

[iconoclast]

You need to go somewhere and sober up.

Are you the mother superior here?

If you don't like the heat, get outta the kitchen.

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

I'm doing just fine right here. Bring it.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

Enjoy your time out.

[sirthomasthemore]

Now our kids are getting whacked bushwhacked on a daily basis. Are you satisfied yet?

That's right ... bushwhacked .. no chance to retaliate, just die or suffer.

Was it worth it to "whack" Saddam, you a-hole?

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Iconoclast,

Sorry, I am late getting back to you. I took a break. A little surprised by what transpired since then.

Yes, it certainly was worth it to "whack" Saddam, by getting him out of power. He was a sponsor of terror. He was involved in 9/11. He was using the Oil for Food Program as his private piggy bank. He was killing thousands of his own people. He was a destabilizing force in the region. He was a proven mass murder; a dictator obviously without conscience or governing law, who had at heart, the desire to do harm to America- the day they found him in the rat hole was precisely where he belonged.

As for our military, those who chose to serve this country, do so with far greater courage, vision, and patriotism than apparently you thus far have manifested in your remarks. They sacrifice their lives in Iraq, so that the people of Iraq can enjoy the freedom you take for granted as you post on this Board. They sacrifice their lives to fight terrorists there, who otherwise would be terrorists here. They sacrifice their lives because they belief in the ideals of America.

Now, as I queried in prior posts in trying to civilly ascertain the nature of your particular gripe, WHY do you believe the Iraq War is wrong? If wrong, WHY do you believe it was inititated? If wrong, what would you have the country do against terrorism? Apparently, you would had no problem invading Pakistan and allowing are kids to get killed there in fighting terror, but for some yet unexplained reason, you inveigh against the Iraq invasion. Why?

From the inception of our dialoque, I have merely asked you reasonable questions about your position, so that you may have the opportunity to explain yourself comprehensively, and so that people would not merely dismiss you as a mindless bomb thrower. Regrettably, you have yet availed yourself of that opportunity.

As for your personal attacks against me, they are of no moment. Just make your points, if you can, you can pepper them in whatever manner best serves the nature of your communicative abilities.


Pzifer: “Viagra won’t cause dementia or blindness". (Except if one wears a Black Robe, whereupon it can cause loss of property and other minor Constitutional rights.)

Clean your muskets and sharpen your pitchforks and get ready to ride to the sound of the guns.(KELO) :o}-

Dems, hello??? We could get out of Vietnam; we can’t GET OUT of terrorism.

[sirthomasthemore]

My comment: "Nah, when I'm at the switch, I'm alwwasys alerrelt"

Your reply: "Yeah. Obviously. You arm chair General jerk. "

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Iconoclast, the above comment was made in response to your suggestion that I was "asleep at the switch". To which I responded that I was "alwwasys alerrelt".

Your failure and/or inability to properly assess the nuance in that reply, explains a great deal.





Pzifer: “Viagra won’t cause dementia or blindness". (Except if one wears a Black Robe, whereupon it can cause loss of property and other minor Constitutional rights.)

Clean your muskets and sharpen your pitchforks and get ready to ride to the sound of the guns.(KELO) :o}-

Dems, hello??? We could get out of Vietnam; we can’t GET OUT of terrorism.

[bill1952]

[cricket]

Personally, find Buchannan 'off-putting and irritating' and Condi's comments simply make sense to me.

She is not 'blaming America'. . .she is saying we have tried this. . .and that. . .and it did not work; and we are moving to other considerations.

You can schmooze these people into forever without their moving one zot forward. . .

Seems to me, Condi is simply acknowledging such and as importantly; that we no longer have the luxury of time to waste on strategies that do not bring forth the desired goals.

A spade is a spade and it is time to move on. . .

Politically correct? Perhaps not. . .

The truth? Absolutely.

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

I agree with you. Just because she is saying that past policies and attitudes didn't work, it doesn't necessarily mean that she is slamming America or the Arab countries. She is matter-of-factly saying that past initiatives haven't worked and it's time to move in a new direction.

I don't hate my country but I do think that guarding Europe's borders, keeping them safe while not insisting that they take responsibility for their freedom and security, and essentially purchasing their immitation-friendship for the last 60 years was a dire mistake on the part of the United States. They're our spoiled, unemployed, scumbag brothers-in-law. They will smile and talk nice as long as we're buying them dinner and paying their way. But say no to them once and America is stupid, arrogant, uncultured, and worthy of a grand cuss-out. The islamic countries are much worse. They'll not only abuse what you give them, they'll turn around and straight-up kill you with it.

[cricket]

Unadulerated kool-aid. . .

Not. . .

R.J. Rummel offers a voluminous testament to the superiority of 'Free and Democratic' Governments no matter how they are 'tailored'. . .

Democratic Wars vs Non-Democratic Wars from1816-1991. . .('wars' defined as any Military action where 1,000 or more are killed).

Democracies vs Democracies: 0

Democracies vs Non-Democracies: 155

Non-Democracies vs Non-Democracies: 198

(from Small & Singer. Updated 1982 and updated later by R.J. Rummel (does not include war between ephemeral Republic of France and Republic of Rome in 1849; but rather 'stable democracies'.

I like Kool-Aid; but Condi was not serving or drinking it.

[Luddite Patent Counsel]

Her staement is the very model of political correctness.

"For 60 years, my country, the United States, pursued stability at the expense of democracy in this region..."

In other words:

"Oh, the big, bad U.S., we were idiots and bullies for sixty years (a period during which all we did was win WWII and the Cold War, but who's counting). Now, with Condi in charge, everyone will be free and sit around the campfire singing kumbayah."

Now, if she had said we're going to come in there and kick ass and take names, I would be totally on board. But she didn't say that, and I don't believe she intends to do that. Maybe she's playing possum, but I doubt it. Time will tell.

[cricket]

["For 60 years, my country, the United States, pursued stability at the expense of democracy in this region..."

In other words:

"Oh, the big, bad U.S., we were idiots and bullies for sixty years. . .]

Seems a giant leap here; after 'in other words'. . .

We are not dealing with babies; but adults who hold dear, some neanderthal world views; and for whom political correctness does not generate even a blip on their radar screen.

Condi is preparing some ground here for the now world of 'grown-ups'. . .for those who hold to a childs view; perhaps it does 'feel' like a scolding. . .and for those adults who share a limited world perspective; it may feel like a 'slap upside the head'.

But from Condi; I think it is just an eye-to-eye, realistic message and those who have a problem with it, are those who most need to 'deal with it'.

IMHO. . .

[dervish]

The goal is freedom not democracy. Democracy without freedom, ie an Islamist group voted into power, results in one man one vote one time.

Thus in Iraq the form of government and a Constitution is meant to ensure freedom and ongoing democracy.

[dervish]

"By contrast, our new best friend (and Bin Laden control center) is the undisturbed Islamic Republic of Pakistan."

By contrast we all saw the undisturbed Islamic Taliban sponsored Bin Laden attacks on 9/11 coming.


They all look stable till they are not. There's your flaw. Pakistan worries the hell out of me.

[Eagles6]

I understand what you mean. Pure democracy is, of course, mob rule. Pat's point here is that some people, given that freedom, may choose an islamofascist government ruled by sharia such as happenned in algeria.