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Endangered Species Act under fire from two directions
Yahoo News ^ | 6/28/05 | Brad Knickerbocker

Posted on 06/28/2005 8:03:52 AM PDT by GreenFreeper

ASHLAND, ORE. - Nobody's very happy with the federal Endangered Species Act - arguably the most powerful of all environmental protection laws.

Scientists and activists say it fails to protect hundreds of "candidate" species headed for extinction because agencies haven't been able to get to them yet for lack of resources or political support. Property rights advocates say the law unfairly harms farmers, ranchers, and developers who have on their land what some deride as an inconsequential bug or weed.

Western governors of both parties say they should have more influence over how the law is defined and enforced. And congressional critics say endangered species protection is really run by judges who make draconian decisions without considering their economic or social impact. Lawmakers are poised to take action.

Protecting species can be as delicate and complicated as a spider's web.

Scientists have found that the infamous spotted owl here in the Pacific Northwest, listed for years as "threatened" because its habitat had been reduced by logging and other activities, also is under attack by the larger, more numerous barred owl. So they're considering an experiment to "remove" - i.e., kill - some barred owls so that its smaller, spotted cousin will have enough habitat to recover.

On the other hand, the ivory-billed woodpecker - thought to have gone extinct half a century ago - recently has been spotted in an Arkansas swamp.

The politics of species protection has become more complicated as well - particularly as religious groups get involved.

"You can expect to hear from many people of faith as they witness with passion and resolve about the importance of protecting endangered species," Dorothy Boorse told a recent congressional committee. Dr. Boorse teaches biology at Gordon College in Wenham, Mass., and is an evangelical Christian active with the Noah Alliance, a coalition of religious groups that support species protections.

With help from the Endangered Species Act (ESA), some species have done very well, among them the peregrine falcon, the American alligator, the bald eagle, and the California condor.

But of the more than 1,200 species listed as endangered or threatened since passage of the ESA in 1973, very few have recovered to the point where they no longer need special protections such as limiting activity in a designated habitat. "The vast majority of these species have not improved under implementation of current law," says Rep. Richard Pombo (news, bio, voting record) (R) of California., chairman of the House Resources Committee. "In fact, there is little evidence of progress in the law's 30-year history.... It checks species in, but never checks them out."

Environmentalists vigorously disagree. Without ESA protections, such as designation of critical habitat, they say many listed species might have fallen into oblivion. Had it not been for the Cache River Wildlife Refuge in Arkansas, for example, the ivory-billed woodpecker might never have survived. Given increasing development, it can take decades and considerable effort to turn a troubled species around, activists and many scientists say.

"Before you can recover a species, you must keep it from tumbling over the final brink to extinction," says Rodger Schlickeisen, president of Defenders of Wildlife. "That's the act's most important function, at which it has been extremely successful."

Meanwhile, Mr. Pombo and other lawmakers are pushing for more rigorous scientific studies before a plant or animal can be listed and therefore require protections. They also want to provide more financial incentives to property owners - at least three-quarters of all listed species reside on private land - and to involve state and local governments more in decisions to list species.

Property rights advocates agree. "Landowners must be compensated when they take land out of production to benefit a species," says Chuck Cushman of the American Land Rights Association in Battle Ground, Wash.

Given the current makeup of Congress, which matches the disposition of the Bush administration to amend the ESA in favor of property rights, such challenges have a good chance of succeeding. Scientists might agree to minor changes to the act. But they often take a much longer view than politicians.

"Earth is faced with a mounting loss of species that equals or exceeds any mass extinction in the geological record," 10 prominent scientists headed by Harvard's E.O. Wilson recently wrote to US Senators. "Habitat destruction is widely recognized as the primary cause of species loss. In the face of this crisis, we must strengthen the [Endangered Species Act] and broaden its protections, not weaken them."


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some interesting facts on ESA. 40% due to data error!!


1 posted on 06/28/2005 8:03:52 AM PDT by GreenFreeper
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To: NormsRevenge; forester; Carry_Okie; editor-surveyor; Issaquahking; madfly; freestyle; Outland; ...

eco-ping


2 posted on 06/28/2005 8:04:52 AM PDT by GreenFreeper (FM me to be added to the Eco-Ping List)
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To: GreenFreeper; SierraWasp; forester; Grampa Dave
The biggest lose to this country is not critters but the lose of private property rights most of it due to rabid anarchist aka environmentalist...
3 posted on 06/28/2005 8:13:34 AM PDT by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: GreenFreeper
Interesting that your list of reasons does not include deliberate fraud on the part of activists and agencies.

It's more common than you apparently reailize. Our County is in the grip of three such cases.

4 posted on 06/28/2005 8:34:32 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (A faith in Justice, none in "fairness.")
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To: tubebender; GreenFreeper
The biggest lose to this country is not critters but the lose of private property rights most of it due to rabid anarchist aka environmentalist...

I am not a radical environmentalist by any stretch of the imagination (and I recognize that radical environmentalism is often based on atheism, paganism, or nature worship). Neither do I advocate a draconian totalitarian state to "protect the environment." However, I merely wish to point out that if one believes in G-d at all then one must believe He created everything, and that everything He created has a purpose of some sort. To deny this is to imply that G-d only created mankind and nothing else (which is a denial of Monotheism) or else to take a view of the rest of creation that is absolutley humanistic.

Just as with the issue of racism, the wrong people are on the wrong sides of the argument. Logic demands that they should switch positions.

5 posted on 06/28/2005 8:38:14 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Mosheh 'emet veTorato 'emet!)
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To: tubebender
It will definitely be interesting to see what changes/reforms are in store for the ESA. The knock on its effectiveness is a bit misconstrued as recovery can take a considerable amount of time- not only for populations to rebound but for critical habitats to be 'restored' and self-sufficient.
6 posted on 06/28/2005 8:39:40 AM PDT by GreenFreeper (FM me to be added to the Eco-Ping List)
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To: Carry_Okie
Interesting that your list of reasons does not include deliberate fraud on the part of activists and agencies. It's more common than you apparently realize.

Well, what little expertise I may have, primarily concerns herpetofauna (though some beetles and butterflies as well). Having done some work with candidates for federal listing, I have not run across any deliberate fraud. Politicking, certainly. From my experience, the trouble comes from the media and environmentalists who twist words and data to fit their cause (read scare tactics). IMO there is just too much politics involved in the whole issue. How do we apply equal protection to species when they each have unique life history traits/strategies and respond to different elements. I can cry all day about Bufo fowleri declines and make a strong case for listing. However, that would ignore the boom and bust reproductive cycles. Blame the policy makers, not the scientists (gotta stick up for my kind in some capacity)!!

7 posted on 06/28/2005 8:55:02 AM PDT by GreenFreeper (FM me to be added to the Eco-Ping List)
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The fraud involved in salmon and steelhead listings on the West Coast is egregious. We are talking deliberate avoiding of historical annecdote (such as newspapers from 100 years ago stating that coho were being planted), archaeological evidence (no coho bones found in 77,000 samples), deliberate 180° distortion of genetic evidence by a County forester (I personally know the scientist who did the mtDNA research), and PUBLIC ADMISSION that the agency interest was in preserving $750 million in project funding.

That's just a start on but one example.

8 posted on 06/28/2005 9:02:32 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (A faith in Justice, none in "fairness.")
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To: Carry_Okie
That's just a start on but one example

I would not deny that that happens, probably with some regularity. However, the state I work in and the state I live in (2 different)reciever very little ESA funding. We are lucky to get a few thousand dollars to report population status/trends and prepare recovery plans for endangered and threatened species. Probably because our ESs are not the charasmatic kind (a few snakes, a salamander, a butterfly, and of course many plants). Despite the presence of quite a few listed species, I can't recall ANY property rights issues (although general park expansion does cause a stir).

9 posted on 06/28/2005 9:10:12 AM PDT by GreenFreeper (FM me to be added to the Eco-Ping List)
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Probably because our ESs are not the charasmatic kind (a few snakes, a salamander, a butterfly, and of course many plants).

Nope. It's because the regulations aren't capable of manipulating access to (I'm not exaggerating) trillions in real estate and natural resources.

10 posted on 06/28/2005 9:13:58 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: GreenFreeper

Trillions$ Wasted BUMP!


11 posted on 06/28/2005 9:17:09 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: GreenFreeper
Honestly, I do think you would benefit from reading the book. It fits your thesis, if not exactly your prescription.
12 posted on 06/28/2005 9:18:14 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: GreenFreeper
Your post proves the very important point: ESA is not so much about critters and plants as it is about power and control over other people and their choices.

Bet it's a low-population, not-so-desireable state.

13 posted on 06/28/2005 9:21:23 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Carry_Okie
Nope. It's because the regulations aren't capable of manipulating access to (I'm not exaggerating) trillions in real estate and natural resources

I was referring to the funding aspect of ES protection. I would imagine the SW salmon get considerable funding and lobbying push from the pro-fishing lobby as well and the enviros. The Spotted-owls, Eagles, CA Condors, Ursus spp. etc. Are you inferring that the value of real estate and resources is the reason for funding discrepancies?

14 posted on 06/28/2005 9:28:40 AM PDT by GreenFreeper (FM me to be added to the Eco-Ping List)
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To: Publius6961
Bet it's a low-population, not-so-desireable state I suppose some would describe it as such- though it is a very conservative state, while I live in a very liberal state. The population is actually growing quite rapidly and property value is booming. As far as ESA is concerned, I think the general outlook here is that we have a relatively great deal of both public (state and national parks) and privately (non-profit land trusts etc.) protected lands (especially in an urban area). Before we can cast our eyes on private land we need to be sure we can manage the public land we already own.
15 posted on 06/28/2005 9:35:59 AM PDT by GreenFreeper (FM me to be added to the Eco-Ping List)
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To: Carry_Okie
Honestly, I do think you would benefit from reading the book. It fits your thesis, if not exactly your prescription.

Its on my short list of readings to get to this summer. I have scoured the website and have even discretely passed it on to some of my "enviro-wacko" friends.

16 posted on 06/28/2005 9:37:58 AM PDT by GreenFreeper (FM me to be added to the Eco-Ping List)
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To: GreenFreeper
I would imagine the SW salmon get considerable funding and lobbying push from the pro-fishing lobby as well and the enviros.

Fishermen have figured out that this is a screw job aimed at them. The only "pro fishing lobby" is PCFFA, which is an NGO of lawyers running on leftist foundation money residing in the same building as Gorbachev's Green Cross. Donors have included Tyson Foods, which has large aquaculture investments in South America.

See?

The Spotted-owls, Eagles, CA Condors, Ursus spp. etc.

Spotted owls = imported timber (especially from Canada) and converting timberland to development. Condors = access to land for residential development (even though condors will steal the nachos off your deck). Ursus = a real estate gambit I call "The Squeeze," not to mention raising havoc with ranchers who have the temerity to depress the market for South American cattle (see "Rockefeller," "Soros," and "Turner").

It's all the same. Those tax-exempt, "charitable" foundations don't donate all lovely money for nothing in return, I promise you.

Are you inferring that the value of real estate and resources is the reason for funding discrepancies?

"Infer" implies a subjective interpretation on my part, denoting that I am simply watching events and showing correlation without hard indication of a quid pro quo. There's plenty of quid going to the pros.

Try this little story on electrical power manipulation in California. It's a long post, but it should give you the idea how this works.

17 posted on 06/28/2005 9:46:39 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: GreenFreeper
I have scoured the website and have even discretely passed it on to some of my "enviro-wacko" friends.

If they knew how they were being used (and by whom) they would retch uncontrollably.

18 posted on 06/28/2005 9:48:14 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie

My point in bringing up the pro-fishing lobby was that groups with vested interests will hijack the ESA to further the own agenda. This appears a easier task with well-liked species. You don't see hundreds of millions of dollars being poured into protection of the toothcave pseduoscorpion do you? This process seems to be much more effective when dealing with those charismatic species. Lobbying will only get you so far if the general public does not support such action. Garnering of both public and private support/pressure seems to be the key.

I agree with what you are saying though I don't think the valuation of propery/resources is the ONLY determination of funding. Otherwise, every endangered species would be exploited in the same manner. As it stands, the exploitation seems reserved to those species which can be sold to the public. Just my 2 cents.


19 posted on 06/28/2005 10:10:23 AM PDT by GreenFreeper (FM me to be added to the Eco-Ping List)
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To: GreenFreeper

Hmmm...3 species "saved" by banning DDT.

How many people have died worldwide from malaria and west nile virus?


20 posted on 06/28/2005 10:10:39 AM PDT by hattend (Alaska....in a time warp all it's own!)
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